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what is "level 5+"?
by gricardo99 5y ago
what is "level 5+"?
- rejectedandsad 5y agoNew grad is L3, mid level L4, senior L5.
- FearlessNebula 5y agoIf new grad is L3 then what are L1 and L2?
- dangwu 5y agoNon-engineering stuff, typically. Cafeteria workers, security, etc.
- FearlessNebula 5y agoSo I suppose intern is also L3?
- rejectedandsad 5y agoAt my company intern engineers are the same level as new grads yes.
- deleted 5y ago[deleted]
- magneticnorth 5y agohttps://www.levels.fyi/?compare=Facebook,Google,Amazon,Apple&track=Software%20Engineer https://www.levels.fyi/?compare=Facebook,Google,Amazon,Apple... Roughly, "senior" at a lot of places.
- nick0garvey 5y agoL3 is new grad L4 is an intermediate level - you must be promoted to L5 in a fixed time frame (2-3 yearish) L5 is a senior level
- leoh 5y ago>you must be promoted to L5 in a fixed time frame (2-3 yearish) What happens if you don't?
- dado3212 5y agoYou're basically evaluated according to L5 requirements. Given that you weren't promoted at that point, it's likely you're not performing at those requirements, and you'll be slowly managed out. More often as people get close to the red zone, they just swap companies preemptively.
- leoh 5y agoHow does this contrast with Google?
- dado3212 5y agoGoogle’s terminal level is L4. Not sure what happens if you’re not promoted in the given timeline.
- steelframe 5y agoI used to manage a team at Google. L3 basically meant you had to be told what to do. L4 meant that while you may not regularly give a lot of strategic direction to the team, you could be relied upon to just pick up the ball and carry it forward toward shared objectives. Your code was good enough to not require a bunch of time- and energy-wasting back-and-forth with reviewers. What you delivered stood on its own and was more an asset than a liability to the team and the product. If, after a few years, you still need to be told what to do in order to be productive day-to-day, you’re simply not developing, and unless you figure out what’s going on you’re probably going to struggle to build a successful career. For my own team, the bar I set for giving higher assessment ratings was how well you could make and keep commitments to the team. If, after working in the code base with the group of people for a year or so, you couldn’t independently come up with useful things to commit to doing and couldn’t deliver in the timeframes you said you could, I would start asking you whether you are really happy and motivated doing what you’re doing with your career. For the few times I had to do that, the member of my team ended up admitting to themselves that they were making a mistake trying to do this type of work, and they moved on to something else where they were more happy and successful.
- reducesuffering 5y agoAvg. 4-5 years of FB experience out of college or 8 years of experience in industry.