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Clearly great news for Facebook employees. For reference, the previous policy was that only level 5+ could request to work remotely.
by danbrooks 5y ago
Clearly great news for Facebook employees. For reference, the previous policy was that only level 5+ could request to work remotely.
- gricardo99 5y agowhat is "level 5+"?
- rejectedandsad 5y agoNew grad is L3, mid level L4, senior L5.
- FearlessNebula 5y agoIf new grad is L3 then what are L1 and L2?
- dangwu 5y agoNon-engineering stuff, typically. Cafeteria workers, security, etc.
- FearlessNebula 5y agoSo I suppose intern is also L3?
- rejectedandsad 5y agoAt my company intern engineers are the same level as new grads yes.
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- magneticnorth 5y agohttps://www.levels.fyi/?compare=Facebook,Google,Amazon,Apple&track=Software%20Engineer https://www.levels.fyi/?compare=Facebook,Google,Amazon,Apple... Roughly, "senior" at a lot of places.
- nick0garvey 5y agoL3 is new grad L4 is an intermediate level - you must be promoted to L5 in a fixed time frame (2-3 yearish) L5 is a senior level
- leoh 5y ago>you must be promoted to L5 in a fixed time frame (2-3 yearish) What happens if you don't?
- dado3212 5y agoYou're basically evaluated according to L5 requirements. Given that you weren't promoted at that point, it's likely you're not performing at those requirements, and you'll be slowly managed out. More often as people get close to the red zone, they just swap companies preemptively.
- leoh 5y agoHow does this contrast with Google?
- dado3212 5y agoGoogle’s terminal level is L4. Not sure what happens if you’re not promoted in the given timeline.
- steelframe 5y agoI used to manage a team at Google. L3 basically meant you had to be told what to do. L4 meant that while you may not regularly give a lot of strategic direction to the team, you could be relied upon to just pick up the ball and carry it forward toward shared objectives. Your code was good enough to not require a bunch of time- and energy-wasting back-and-forth with reviewers. What you delivered stood on its own and was more an asset than a liability to the team and the product. If, after a few years, you still need to be told what to do in order to be productive day-to-day, you’re simply not developing, and unless you figure out what’s going on you’re probably going to struggle to build a successful career. For my own team, the bar I set for giving higher assessment ratings was how well you could make and keep commitments to the team. If, after working in the code base with the group of people for a year or so, you couldn’t independently come up with useful things to commit to doing and couldn’t deliver in the timeframes you said you could, I would start asking you whether you are really happy and motivated doing what you’re doing with your career. For the few times I had to do that, the member of my team ended up admitting to themselves that they were making a mistake trying to do this type of work, and they moved on to something else where they were more happy and successful.
- reducesuffering 5y agoAvg. 4-5 years of FB experience out of college or 8 years of experience in industry.
- digbert 5y ago> Clearly great news for Facebook employees. For some Facebook employees, definitely. Personally, I think I'll be finding a job elsewhere now.
- magneticnorth 5y agoI'm curious to hear why - what do you see as the drawback of more remote coworkers?
- digbert 5y agoMostly that by having remote co-workers I get many of the downsides of remote work without any of the upsides. Once a few colleagues are remote, all collaboration has to assume remote as the default. Even if I'm in the office I'm still stuck with remote collaboration, but I still have a commute.
- onlyrealcuzzo 5y agoFacebook is pretty big. Couldn't you just find a team that is predominately in the office?
- Izikiel43 5y agoWhy don't you become remote then? Remote all the things!
- digbert 5y agoThat's one option, but personally I find remote utterly miserable and terrible for collaboration. I'd rather find a job where I see my colleagues in person. The upsides for me of being in the office massively outweigh the downsides, but only if my colleagues are there too.
- Mehdi2277 5y agoBecause they enjoy the office. I prefer going to the office some but not most days and like occasional trips elsewhere so full remote is fine. I have friends who really like the social aspect of the office and working on a team where most of their teammates are remote would be very undesirable to them. In practice I feel like you could just aim to have some teams be mostly people who like office and other teams be mostly remote. Would be awkward hiring wise though to send someone to a different team just on there office vs remote view.
- distrill 5y agoAdditionally, previous guidance was 1 day per week from home. Now it's 2.5.
- tracyhenry 5y agoThis is great news for some, but not for most. What will happen is that most employees will choose to return to onsite work because of the perks and deeper connections with colleagues. If most of your team is not working remotely - let's be honest - it'll be hard for a remote worker to not feel disconnected with the rest of the team.