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Look, that's all super reasonable. I don't have an airtight argument. This is more of a different way of looking at things. I think those sort of tricks can hel

Look, that's all super reasonable. I don't have an airtight argument. This is more of a different way of looking at things. I think those sort of tricks can help with safety, but they can also come from a place of ego. If you don't believe me, check out the Snopes link I originally replied to for what happened when there was a brown M&M. On your rideshare example, I don't do a preflight check when I ride an airliner. I did when I was a pilot, even if it had just come out of the shop. > But it's not "your" concert, as much as it's billed that way. This is it. This is the difference in mindset. I now think of it as "mine". Not that it's mine and no one else's. But I choose to take responsibility for anything that went wrong that I could have been prevented. I don't care how the responsibilities are divvied up or what the contracts say. So anywhere I'm in some position where people are counting on me, I'm either going to check things myself or know that someone I trust did the checking.

cyberge99 5y ago
I think you’re spot on. It’s a summary QA of the QA layer below Eddie van Halen. I think it’s a mindset and extra check, much akin to clearing a handgun after you watch someone clear the gun as they hand it to you. It never hurts to have an additional safety measure. It’s a signal to a potentially larger issue.
kbenson 5y ago
I don't actually disagree with your point of people taking more responsibility, I just think the brown M&M's incident isn't a good example to illustrate it. The production crew had an extensive document outlining all the requirements, likely built up over time as they encountered things venues did not actually take the care to ensure (like the stage not sinking through rubberized flooring). > This is it. This is the difference in mindset. I now think of it as "mine". Not that it's mine and no one else's. But I choose to take responsibility for anything that went wrong that I could have been prevented. That's fine, and you can take responsibility, but you can't do all the work, not in any way that scales. Even in the preflight checks for the plane, you're not disassembling wings and checking for cracks on internal struts I imagine. Someone else does that occasionally and you have to trust (or not) their opinions and that they've actually done the work. And you can't always spend a week doing a thorough background check of those people either (or for some reason you're forced to use someone you would rather not), so sometimes little tricks that might indicate that you should be wary are useful.

cyberge99 5y ago

I think you’re spot on. It’s a summary QA of the QA layer below Eddie van Halen. I think it’s a mindset and extra check, much akin to clearing a handgun after you watch someone clear the gun as they hand it to you. It never hurts to have an additional safety measure. It’s a signal to a potentially larger issue.

kbenson 5y ago

I don't actually disagree with your point of people taking more responsibility, I just think the brown M&M's incident isn't a good example to illustrate it. The production crew had an extensive document outlining all the requirements, likely built up over time as they encountered things venues did not actually take the care to ensure (like the stage not sinking through rubberized flooring). > This is it. This is the difference in mindset. I now think of it as "mine". Not that it's mine and no one else's. But I choose to take responsibility for anything that went wrong that I could have been prevented. That's fine, and you can take responsibility, but you can't do all the work, not in any way that scales. Even in the preflight checks for the plane, you're not disassembling wings and checking for cracks on internal struts I imagine. Someone else does that occasionally and you have to trust (or not) their opinions and that they've actually done the work. And you can't always spend a week doing a thorough background check of those people either (or for some reason you're forced to use someone you would rather not), so sometimes little tricks that might indicate that you should be wary are useful.