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There are alternate ways to get software on those platforms. There isn’t on Apple mobile devices.

by manigandham 5y ago

dwaite 5y ago
Citation needed? (For Playstation, XBox)
- michaelmrose 5y ago
  That too isn't ok
- manigandham 5y ago
  Physical disks.
  - j_koreth 5y ago
    Aren't physical disks also liable to give Sony and Microsoft a cut?
    - wernercd 5y ago
      Do physical disks come with "you cant sell me at less" restrictions like Apple enforces? With "you can't use any payment store other than apple"? The number of restrictions on top of Apples cut is what makes the difference. The mafia wishes they could enforce the same restrictions. Apple makes them look reasonable.
  - immackay 5y ago
    The only point I seem to see from you throughout this post is that you can use physical disks on playstation/xbox, but even that is dependent on having a playstation/xbox with a disk drive. Additionally, Sony/Microsoft still receive a cut from those sales.
    - manigandham 5y ago
      The point is there is still an alternative. It's not quite the same as they act as publishers and distribution partners in gaming vs mobile devices. There should absolutely be more access to stores there too though, with Steam and Epic on Xbox or Playstation. Why is this so controversial for you?
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immackay 5y ago
There is indeed alternative ways to get software on Apple mobile devices. Why is this such a common belief? Edit: your point seems to be revolving around the access to physical disks for playstation/xbox, which is 1. Limited to devices that have a disk drive, 2. Limited to software that would similarly be sold on the sony/xbox stores, and 3. Still gives sony/microsoft a cut of the sale. Edit 2: No, I'm not talking about webapps. You can sideload apps with a free developer account, similar to xbox. Edit 3: Right, well I guess I'm being "purposely ignorant" and am actually talking about web apps. This was fun HN, lovely discussion. Edit 4: It does indeed only require a free developer account, and you can strip and resign apps without needing to compile from source.
- josephcsible 5y ago
  Jailbreaking doesn't count.
  - immackay 5y ago
    No jailbreaking necessary. Edit: Can't reply further, but the way of doing this is much the same as installing unsigned apps on an xbox. Using a (free) developer account you can sideload things quite easy using something like https://github.com/ios-control/ios-deploy https://github.com/ios-control/ios-deploy
    - josephcsible 5y ago
      Can you explain how, then? Edit: So the only way to do it besides jailbreaking is for literally everyone who wants to do it to pay Apple an extra $100 on top of what they already paid for their iDevice. (Sharing will get your certificate revoked.)
      - wernercd 5y ago
        https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/6/22421912/iphone-web-app-pwa-cloud-gaming-epic-v-apple-safari https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/6/22421912/iphone-web-app-pw...

There are alternate ways to get software on those platforms. There isn’t on Apple mobile devices.

dwaite 5y ago

Citation needed? (For Playstation, XBox)

michaelmrose 5y ago
That too isn't ok
manigandham 5y ago
Physical disks.
- j_koreth 5y ago
  Aren't physical disks also liable to give Sony and Microsoft a cut?
  - wernercd 5y ago
    Do physical disks come with "you cant sell me at less" restrictions like Apple enforces? With "you can't use any payment store other than apple"? The number of restrictions on top of Apples cut is what makes the difference. The mafia wishes they could enforce the same restrictions. Apple makes them look reasonable.
- immackay 5y ago
  The only point I seem to see from you throughout this post is that you can use physical disks on playstation/xbox, but even that is dependent on having a playstation/xbox with a disk drive. Additionally, Sony/Microsoft still receive a cut from those sales.
  - manigandham 5y ago
    The point is there is still an alternative. It's not quite the same as they act as publishers and distribution partners in gaming vs mobile devices. There should absolutely be more access to stores there too though, with Steam and Epic on Xbox or Playstation. Why is this so controversial for you?

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immackay 5y ago

There is indeed alternative ways to get software on Apple mobile devices. Why is this such a common belief? Edit: your point seems to be revolving around the access to physical disks for playstation/xbox, which is 1. Limited to devices that have a disk drive, 2. Limited to software that would similarly be sold on the sony/xbox stores, and 3. Still gives sony/microsoft a cut of the sale. Edit 2: No, I'm not talking about webapps. You can sideload apps with a free developer account, similar to xbox. Edit 3: Right, well I guess I'm being "purposely ignorant" and am actually talking about web apps. This was fun HN, lovely discussion. Edit 4: It does indeed only require a free developer account, and you can strip and resign apps without needing to compile from source.

josephcsible 5y ago
Jailbreaking doesn't count.
- immackay 5y ago
  No jailbreaking necessary. Edit: Can't reply further, but the way of doing this is much the same as installing unsigned apps on an xbox. Using a (free) developer account you can sideload things quite easy using something like https://github.com/ios-control/ios-deploy https://github.com/ios-control/ios-deploy
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    Can you explain how, then? Edit: So the only way to do it besides jailbreaking is for literally everyone who wants to do it to pay Apple an extra $100 on top of what they already paid for their iDevice. (Sharing will get your certificate revoked.)
    - wernercd 5y ago
      https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/6/22421912/iphone-web-app-pwa-cloud-gaming-epic-v-apple-safari https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/6/22421912/iphone-web-app-pw...