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> Cease to supply this system with the fruits of your research labors. Historically academics have felt forced to support this system, because for-profit journ

> Cease to supply this system with the fruits of your research labors. Historically academics have felt forced to support this system, because for-profit journals are the high-prestige ones they must publish in in order to get tenure. This has changed for certain fields, but it isn’t as simple as just suggesting that one publish elsewhere.

divbzero 5y ago
It’s up to not only academics who publish articles, but also organizations that issue grants and tenure. Public policies to adjust their definitions of “prestige” or “quality” would help.
- ta988 5y ago
  And these are mostly run by people that have not even heard of scihub, openaccess etc
  - a_bonobo 5y ago
    Case in point: The ARC, the biggest Australian Research funding body, recently explicitly banned the mention of preprints in grants. You can't include your own arxiv/biorxiv/etc. preprints in your grants to show your work! To the ARC, that's unpublished work. I know a few mathematicians who exclusively publish on arxiv who were bitten by this change, the whole grant got rejected.
    - _hl_ 5y ago
      That is... profoundly idiotic and short-sighted.
underwires 5y ago
which fields has this changed for?
Tokelin 5y ago
What are some of the fields where this is changing?
- Mediterraneo10 5y ago
  For some fields the for-profit problem never happened at all. For example, in some branches of linguistics, history and archaeology the main journals have always been published by the same non-profit learned societies for decades (since the 19th century, sometimes). Prices for the hardcopy were always reasonable, and with the digital era, these journals became open access. In other branches of those disciplines, I have seen that recently some big-name editors have founded new open-access journals with the express aim of gradually taking prestige away from for-profit journals. See here [0] (PDF). [0] https://scholarsarchive.library.albany.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1007&context=open_access_week https://scholarsarchive.library.albany.edu/cgi/viewcontent.c...
anigbrowl 5y ago
Sure, but it's a divide-and-conquer problem. Academics have to mutually support each other rather than trusting everything to a competitive marketplace (which most of them seem to hate anyway).
warlog 5y ago
Stop supporting a system you won't inherit.
woko 5y ago
One can publish online a pre-print for free, which is very close to the final version of the paper.

divbzero 5y ago

It’s up to not only academics who publish articles, but also organizations that issue grants and tenure. Public policies to adjust their definitions of “prestige” or “quality” would help.

ta988 5y ago
And these are mostly run by people that have not even heard of scihub, openaccess etc
- a_bonobo 5y ago
  Case in point: The ARC, the biggest Australian Research funding body, recently explicitly banned the mention of preprints in grants. You can't include your own arxiv/biorxiv/etc. preprints in your grants to show your work! To the ARC, that's unpublished work. I know a few mathematicians who exclusively publish on arxiv who were bitten by this change, the whole grant got rejected.
  - _hl_ 5y ago
    That is... profoundly idiotic and short-sighted.

underwires 5y ago

which fields has this changed for?

Tokelin 5y ago

What are some of the fields where this is changing?

Mediterraneo10 5y ago
For some fields the for-profit problem never happened at all. For example, in some branches of linguistics, history and archaeology the main journals have always been published by the same non-profit learned societies for decades (since the 19th century, sometimes). Prices for the hardcopy were always reasonable, and with the digital era, these journals became open access. In other branches of those disciplines, I have seen that recently some big-name editors have founded new open-access journals with the express aim of gradually taking prestige away from for-profit journals. See here [0] (PDF). [0] https://scholarsarchive.library.albany.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1007&context=open_access_week https://scholarsarchive.library.albany.edu/cgi/viewcontent.c...

anigbrowl 5y ago

Sure, but it's a divide-and-conquer problem. Academics have to mutually support each other rather than trusting everything to a competitive marketplace (which most of them seem to hate anyway).

warlog 5y ago

Stop supporting a system you won't inherit.

woko 5y ago

One can publish online a pre-print for free, which is very close to the final version of the paper.