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"The most important reason meth makes your teeth fall out and ruins your life but Adderall just makes you study a little harder is that the meth users are takin
by rogerclark 5y ago
"The most important reason meth makes your teeth fall out and ruins your life but Adderall just makes you study a little harder is that the meth users are taking 50x higher doses"
The reason meth addicts have bad teeth isn't because of the dosage of the drug. It's because stimulants make you want to eat candy and drink sugar water, because meth addicts lose track of oral hygiene in favor of doing meth or something else more interesting, and because they're smoking it (along with other drugs).
- canary1 5y agoRegardless, I think the author's point is that the massive dose is more responsible for that negative outcome than the chemical is itself.
- peanut_worm 5y agoStimulants suppress your appetite but they also make you clench you jaw and grind your teeth involuntarily.
- beebeepka 5y agoYou mean amphetamines, not stimulants in general. I've seen people do much worse when they mix this shit with alcohol, the worst offender that is still perfectly legal
- peanut_worm 5y agoWhat non-amphetemine stimulants are people doing recreationally?
- MagnumOpus 5y agoCocaine? MDMA?
- peanut_worm 5y agoMDMA is an amphetamine, short for Methylenedioxymethamphetamine I don’t know how I forgot cocaine, but it has the same jaw clenching problem
- loves_mangoes 5y ago2C-B. Cathinones and other pyrovalerones. Some people even seem to enjoy absorbing Coffee through their nose.
- Stevvo 5y agoCathinones are amphetamines.
- loves_mangoes 5y agoSure, cathinones are a sub-category of amphetamines, but only in the same way that amphetamines are technically phenetylamines. But cathinones differ from "pure" substituted amphetamines by a ketone group at the Beta-position, which is what I mean here. And regardless, the point stands for substituted phenethylamines like the 2C family, which are clearly not amphetamines.
- randomopining 5y agoHow do you do coffee through your nose lol
- milkytron 5y agoI would imagine snorting really fine grounds, similar to how people use tobacco snuff.
- bawolff 5y agoAdderall is also a stimulant(?) The authors suggestion is it would cause the same effect if taken in the same dosage.
- skummetmaelk 5y agoThey are both amphetamines.
- treeman79 5y agoI was on Adderall 10mg a day. Worked as advertised. ADHD under control. Chronic fatigue fixed. Every portion of my body felt like it was being burned from the inside. I had to start tramadol to counter act the pain. It also upped cranial pressure. Causing a lot of secondary problems. This was made much worse as dosage went up. I had to stop it before downward spiral completely destroyed me. Vyvanse was a mild version of all this. Can’t imagine anything more intense.
- anon9001 5y agoI've never heard of anything like that before. I wonder if you'd get the same reaction from ritalin.
- astrange 5y agoI've never heard of this symptom! Maybe you were allergic? It does sound like SJS, in which case you should definitely quit it, but I thought that could only happen with modafinil.
- treeman79 5y agoI am hypersensitive to most medications. Runs in the family. Benadryl will cause me and my kids to go completely nuts. Like climbing the ceiling of the hospital level. Was describing that to one nurse and she almost started crying. Apparently she had same reaction and no one would believe her.
- QuadmasterXLII 5y ago
- TX0098812 5y ago...because they're taking 50x the dose?
- shredprez 5y agoAlso: dehydration and dry-mouth secondary to stimulant use, classic accelerators of bacterial overgrowth and consequent tooth decay.
- KingMachiavelli 5y agoTruth. It's highly variable but even Adderall will accelerate tooth decay. It's quite necessary to drink water very frequently.
- Nuzzerino 5y agoStreet meth also has a lot of adulterants, contaminants, or byproducts that can accelerate the damage.
- whymauri 5y agoThe reason there's confusion in this thread about dosage is that the author didn't use precise terminology (the author is technically correct, but there's ambiguity). I'm pretty sure he means that the recreational dose is relatively larger compared to the effective dose (ED) with meth than with Adderall.
- kingTug 5y agoThis isn’t correct. Meth, when smoked, is incredibly toxic. The toxic smoke that causes “meth mouth”
- volkl48 5y agoWhile I am certainly willing to believe that illicit meth is...bad for you/toxic and the smoke is as well, I'm not finding much to support the idea of it being the primary cause of (or major contributor to) "meth mouth" in a quick search. In contrast, every source I find cites the things the prior poster mentioned as the causes. For example: https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/methamphetamine/what-are-long-term-effects-methamphetamine-misuse https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/meth... > The dental problems may be caused by a combination of poor nutrition and dental hygiene as well as dry mouth and teeth grinding caused by the drug. I would think they would be mentioning that the toxic smoke is a cause or contributor if there was evidence to support it.
- robocat 5y agoPeople get meth mouth even if they don't take it orally (or smoking) i.e. your thesis is wrong AFAIK.
- newbie789 5y agoMeth does not make you crave any type of food. If that were the case Desoxyn would not be FDA approved for weight loss. “Meth mouth” is caused by the fact that it dries your mouth out, you grind your teeth a LOT, and is often observed in people that have used drugs long/hard enough to find themselves no longer taking care of their health in general, let alone oral hygiene. This often is coupled with financial ruin and utter alienation from society. Somehow, mysteriously, all of the rich house wives and Silicon Valley coders that use it develop meth mouth at a lower rate.
- yerwhat01010 5y agoWait, are you saying that meth is popular among Silicon Valley coders and rich house wives? This is news to me.
- FeepingCreature 5y agoAdderall. I can't find a Wiki cite for the specific use among coders, but it's stereotypically widespread as a nootropic.
- astrange 5y agoAdderall is not meth. It does promote jaw clenching some, but it's not nearly as bad for you (as the article says, mostly because prescribed doses are smaller) and in fact is neuroprotective. I don't think housewives would enjoy abusing it, unless they're studying for the GRE.
- kragen 5y agoRight, Adderall is near-racemic amphetamine, not methamphetamine. Amphetamine and methamphetamine are very similar in their effects, as discussed here, and both can easily be used at neurotoxic levels. Among their effects in therapeutic doses are weight loss and, yes, being good at memorizing things, like if you're studying for the GRE. I'm not a big fan of any of the drug family.
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- refurb 5y agoIt's purely due to a dry mouth. People that get radiation therapy for head and neck cancers get severe dry mouth as well (salivary glands affected) and severe tooth decay is common unless you use artificial saliva.