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Most people who voted for Trump believe Trump lost to Biden.

iso1210 5y ago
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/24/republicans-2020-election-poll-trump-biden https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/24/republicans-... > May opinion poll finds that 53% of Republicans believe Trump is the ‘true president’ compared with 3% of Democrats > About one-quarter of adults falsely believe the 3 November election was tainted by illegal voting, including 56% of Republicans, according to the poll.
- oh_sigh 5y ago
  An online-only poll of 700 people is not particularly compelling.
  - iso1210 5y ago
    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/30/politics/cnn-poll-voting-rights/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/30/politics/cnn-poll-voting-... But the share of Republicans who falsely say there is solid evidence that Biden did not win has dropped from 58% in January to 50% now
throwawaysea 5y ago
This happened with the previous election too. For one, Hillary literally claimed Trump stole the election and called him an 'illegitimate president', adding to that widespread belief: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/2019/09/26/29195d5a-e099-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trum... Democrat voters didn't accept that Trump legitimately won the 2016 election: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/334972-poll-dems-dont-accept-trump-as-legitimate-president https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/334972-poll-dems... Half of Democrat voters believe that Russia literally tampered with vote tallies to help Trump in the 2016 election: https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/12/27/belief-conspiracies-largely-depends-political-iden https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/20... Such sentiments continued even a couple years after the election: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-poll-idUSKCN1R72S0 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-poll-idU... Let's also not forget that the Democrats formally challenged election results in 2000, 2004, and 2016 - all the recent presidential elections they lost: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/opinion/democrat-republican-electoral-votes.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/opinion/democrat-republic...
- dnadler 5y ago
  The "whataboutism" argument doesn't refute the initial claim. It's simply changing the subject and is effectively surrendering the point.
  - throwawaysea 5y ago
    I'm not refuting it. I am pointing out that this is a pattern with much precedent, and is not restricted to Republicans or conservatives. A number of comments in this discussion seem to be ascribing belief in improbable scenarios to one political side. If anything, I would say that election denialism is a tit-for-tat game that is now reflecting back the same disbelief that was shown in prior elections. Furthermore, the GP comment suggested that half of the population holding a "crank denialism" is something new. My evidence shows it is clearly not something new.
  - Dma54rhs 5y ago
    It doesn't refute it but sums up well the American political culture.
- tzs 5y ago
  Actually, your second link doesn't say what you think it says. It says that people believe that Democrats believe that, not that Democrats believe that. Yes, it seems a weird thing to poll about. Your fourth link is misleading. You've picked a link from a moment in time when Barr had released his summary of the Meuller report but Meuller's criticism of Barr's summary as being inaccurate had not been released.
  - throwawaysea 5y ago
    The second link's poll includes a breakout of Democrats' beliefs in what Democrats believe, in addition to the overall figures. So 65% of Democrats agreed at the time that Democrats don't accept Trump as the legitimate president. I realize it's not the same exact question, but it is similar. There are also other polls that I didn't include that you can find with similar results. As for the fourth link - I am not sure of the timing of that particular poll (I just pulled that from a search earlier), so I'll have to take your word on that. Thanks for pointing it out.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/24/republicans-2020-election-poll-trump-biden https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/24/republicans-... > May opinion poll finds that 53% of Republicans believe Trump is the ‘true president’ compared with 3% of Democrats > About one-quarter of adults falsely believe the 3 November election was tainted by illegal voting, including 56% of Republicans, according to the poll.

oh_sigh 5y ago
An online-only poll of 700 people is not particularly compelling.
- iso1210 5y ago
  https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/30/politics/cnn-poll-voting-rights/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/30/politics/cnn-poll-voting-... But the share of Republicans who falsely say there is solid evidence that Biden did not win has dropped from 58% in January to 50% now

throwawaysea 5y ago

This happened with the previous election too. For one, Hillary literally claimed Trump stole the election and called him an 'illegitimate president', adding to that widespread belief: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/2019/09/26/29195d5a-e099-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trum... Democrat voters didn't accept that Trump legitimately won the 2016 election: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/334972-poll-dems-dont-accept-trump-as-legitimate-president https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/334972-poll-dems... Half of Democrat voters believe that Russia literally tampered with vote tallies to help Trump in the 2016 election: https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/12/27/belief-conspiracies-largely-depends-political-iden https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/20... Such sentiments continued even a couple years after the election: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-poll-idUSKCN1R72S0 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-poll-idU... Let's also not forget that the Democrats formally challenged election results in 2000, 2004, and 2016 - all the recent presidential elections they lost: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/opinion/democrat-republican-electoral-votes.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/opinion/democrat-republic...

dnadler 5y ago
The "whataboutism" argument doesn't refute the initial claim. It's simply changing the subject and is effectively surrendering the point.
- throwawaysea 5y ago
  I'm not refuting it. I am pointing out that this is a pattern with much precedent, and is not restricted to Republicans or conservatives. A number of comments in this discussion seem to be ascribing belief in improbable scenarios to one political side. If anything, I would say that election denialism is a tit-for-tat game that is now reflecting back the same disbelief that was shown in prior elections. Furthermore, the GP comment suggested that half of the population holding a "crank denialism" is something new. My evidence shows it is clearly not something new.
- Dma54rhs 5y ago
  It doesn't refute it but sums up well the American political culture.
tzs 5y ago
Actually, your second link doesn't say what you think it says. It says that people believe that Democrats believe that, not that Democrats believe that. Yes, it seems a weird thing to poll about. Your fourth link is misleading. You've picked a link from a moment in time when Barr had released his summary of the Meuller report but Meuller's criticism of Barr's summary as being inaccurate had not been released.
- throwawaysea 5y ago
  The second link's poll includes a breakout of Democrats' beliefs in what Democrats believe, in addition to the overall figures. So 65% of Democrats agreed at the time that Democrats don't accept Trump as the legitimate president. I realize it's not the same exact question, but it is similar. There are also other polls that I didn't include that you can find with similar results. As for the fourth link - I am not sure of the timing of that particular poll (I just pulled that from a search earlier), so I'll have to take your word on that. Thanks for pointing it out.