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This is a personal hypothesis and I have no sources for my assertion besides my own anecdotes. I've noticed that Californians have a "we have to do something /

This is a personal hypothesis and I have no sources for my assertion besides my own anecdotes. I've noticed that Californians have a "we have to do something / we can't just do nothing" mentality when it comes to problems. So what ends up happening is that the California legislature will gladly pass laws which implement new bureaucracies to address whatever issue happens to be trending. This is how Californians end up with so many line items and fees tacked on to every government transaction. You wind up with a very complicated government and some bizarre rules that seem like overkill. And, the more complex a system is the more likely it is to be inefficient and ineffective due to all the moving parts.

tppiotrowski 5y ago
I have similar anecdotes. To me it seems like people who pass laws forget that they need to support and maintain them into perpetuity. At first things are efficient but long-term support can fall by the wayside. I think some laws are passed with expiration dates. I would support more of this to reassess if people still have the will to enforce and support them.
- BitwiseFool 5y ago
  Part of me thinks it's a feature and not a bug. The politicians are artificially creating jobs and getting a reliable source of votes by doing so. And there are also downstream jobs from supporting these laws. For instance you'll notice most Tesla cars have a sticker on them that says "Access Ok, California Clean Air Vehicle" https://cleanvehiclerebate.org/eng/ev/incentives/hov-lane-access https://cleanvehiclerebate.org/eng/ev/incentives/hov-lane-ac... To me it's dumb that the government needs to issue a sticker to know which cars are EV's or Clean Air vehicles. Wouldn't it be more simple to just know that Tesla's and Toyota Prius's are clean air cars than to require people to put stickers on their bumpers that expire every four years in order to get prime parking spaces and HOV access? Additionally, there's a bunch of paperwork involved and qualification processes based on income and other things https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-registration/license-plates-decals-and-placards/clean-air-vehicle-decals-for-using-carpool-lanes/ https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-registration/license-p... I'm sure that this bass-ackwards system provides plenty of work though.
  - xeromal 5y ago
    The reason for those stickers is that they're color coded. My Tesla allows me access to the carpool lane for 2 years and no more. It's a temporary carrot, not a permanent one.
    - BitwiseFool 5y ago
      I suppose so, but it seems needlessly complicated for what could just be a simple statue.
Spooky23 5y ago
California is this land of plenty that grew so fast that it's almost like a country in of itself. That growth happened at a particular place in time that really colored the governance, and is almost dysfunctional by design to allow everyone to function! So you have the features of a big state, with some of the quirky weirdness of western governance (propositions, etc). I'm not an expert on California, but looking at it, it feels like a place that selected the best thing and worst thing about governance in Florida, New York, Idaho, New Jersey, Illinois and Virginia, and did all of them.

tppiotrowski 5y ago

I have similar anecdotes. To me it seems like people who pass laws forget that they need to support and maintain them into perpetuity. At first things are efficient but long-term support can fall by the wayside. I think some laws are passed with expiration dates. I would support more of this to reassess if people still have the will to enforce and support them.

BitwiseFool 5y ago
Part of me thinks it's a feature and not a bug. The politicians are artificially creating jobs and getting a reliable source of votes by doing so. And there are also downstream jobs from supporting these laws. For instance you'll notice most Tesla cars have a sticker on them that says "Access Ok, California Clean Air Vehicle" https://cleanvehiclerebate.org/eng/ev/incentives/hov-lane-access https://cleanvehiclerebate.org/eng/ev/incentives/hov-lane-ac... To me it's dumb that the government needs to issue a sticker to know which cars are EV's or Clean Air vehicles. Wouldn't it be more simple to just know that Tesla's and Toyota Prius's are clean air cars than to require people to put stickers on their bumpers that expire every four years in order to get prime parking spaces and HOV access? Additionally, there's a bunch of paperwork involved and qualification processes based on income and other things https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-registration/license-plates-decals-and-placards/clean-air-vehicle-decals-for-using-carpool-lanes/ https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-registration/license-p... I'm sure that this bass-ackwards system provides plenty of work though.
- xeromal 5y ago
  The reason for those stickers is that they're color coded. My Tesla allows me access to the carpool lane for 2 years and no more. It's a temporary carrot, not a permanent one.
  - BitwiseFool 5y ago
    I suppose so, but it seems needlessly complicated for what could just be a simple statue.

Spooky23 5y ago

California is this land of plenty that grew so fast that it's almost like a country in of itself. That growth happened at a particular place in time that really colored the governance, and is almost dysfunctional by design to allow everyone to function! So you have the features of a big state, with some of the quirky weirdness of western governance (propositions, etc). I'm not an expert on California, but looking at it, it feels like a place that selected the best thing and worst thing about governance in Florida, New York, Idaho, New Jersey, Illinois and Virginia, and did all of them.