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I remain unconvinced that CRT is at all constructive and I find it peculiar that you recognise it as erroneous to characterise black people as a monolith when t

I remain unconvinced that CRT is at all constructive and I find it peculiar that you recognise it as erroneous to characterise black people as a monolith when this is exactly what CRT does. My perspective aligns neatly with that describe here[0]. As Trevor Phillips would say[1], Critical Race Theory is exactly the idea I would invent if I were a racist. [0]: https://www.heritage.org/civil-society/commentary/how-leftists-critical-race-theory-poisons-our-discussion-racism https://www.heritage.org/civil-society/commentary/how-leftis... [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb2iFikOwYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb2iFikOwYU

sverona 5y ago
These aren't the better sources I was looking for.
- yakshaving_jgt 5y ago
  Could you expand on that? Are Phillips’ (a decorated former MP, and the former head of the Commission for Racial Equality, and also a black man) positions on racism invalid in your view? Is he unqualified? Are you better qualified? Or do you just find his views heretical?
  - sverona 5y ago
    His views are valid, but it would be ridiculous to claim he's every black person or even most black people.
    - yakshaving_jgt 5y ago
      Oh absolutely, and that was never my claim. That is however the implicit claim of Critical Race Theorists. It’s a racist claim, which is why I’m challenging your support for it now.
      - sverona 5y ago
        > That is however the implicit claim of Critical Race Theorists. You have provided evidence that it is the implicit claim of exactly one critical race theorist. > which is why I'm challenging your support for it now. This is a strawman. I began this discussion by pointing out that this very claim is counterproductive, which is why I'm not a fan of DiAngelo's work. Reasoning in the abstract about marginalized groups and the systemic issues they tend to face is not the same as asserting that they individually have all the same views or background.

sverona 5y ago

These aren't the better sources I was looking for.

yakshaving_jgt 5y ago
Could you expand on that? Are Phillips’ (a decorated former MP, and the former head of the Commission for Racial Equality, and also a black man) positions on racism invalid in your view? Is he unqualified? Are you better qualified? Or do you just find his views heretical?
- sverona 5y ago
  His views are valid, but it would be ridiculous to claim he's every black person or even most black people.
  - yakshaving_jgt 5y ago
    Oh absolutely, and that was never my claim. That is however the implicit claim of Critical Race Theorists. It’s a racist claim, which is why I’m challenging your support for it now.
    - sverona 5y ago
      > That is however the implicit claim of Critical Race Theorists. You have provided evidence that it is the implicit claim of exactly one critical race theorist. > which is why I'm challenging your support for it now. This is a strawman. I began this discussion by pointing out that this very claim is counterproductive, which is why I'm not a fan of DiAngelo's work. Reasoning in the abstract about marginalized groups and the systemic issues they tend to face is not the same as asserting that they individually have all the same views or background.