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The same comment I leave every time this subject comes up again somewhere: it's already been built, it already has lots of users, it's already secure and anonym

The same comment I leave every time this subject comes up again somewhere: it's already been built, it already has lots of users, it's already secure and anonymous: http://www.i2p2.de/ http://www.i2p2.de/

tectonic 15y ago
How does it compare to Tor?
- tomp 15y ago
  This was my question exactly... From what I understand, Tor is an anonymizing service for web browsing (and other web activities). I2P is an anonymizing layer above the regular internet. I.e., you can use Tor to view pages/use services on the regular internet, while with I2P you can only use services that are part of I2P. On the other hand, I2P is less vulnerable - it is fully decentralized & distributed, with everyone being an equal peer in the network, while Tor relies on exit nodes to function, and normal clients don't help the network at all. See: http://www.i2p2.de/faq.html#outproxy http://www.i2p2.de/faq.html#outproxy http://www.i2p2.de/how_networkcomparisons http://www.i2p2.de/how_networkcomparisons
  - vonSeckendorff 15y ago
    I've never used I2P, but Tor also has hidden services, which can only be accessed through the network and do not require exit nodes. I imagine both Tor and I2P use similar routing schemes to achieve "anonymity". http://www.torproject.org/docs/hidden-services.html.en http://www.torproject.org/docs/hidden-services.html.en I am not too trusting of the architecture though, since there has been (at least) one significant practical break before. Also the hidden services are susceptible to DoS, despite the claims that to DoS one node you have to DoS the entire network.
- thaumaturgy 15y ago
  I usually think of it as Tor 2.0: Tor with better anonymity and encryption. i2p has a very fair comparison between themselves and Tor at http://www.i2p2.de/how_networkcomparisons.html http://www.i2p2.de/how_networkcomparisons.html
a3_nm 15y ago
I2P is built on top on existing networks. Apparently, the darknet plan would also like a real mesh infrastructure.
- thaumaturgy 15y ago
  Then it's just the Reddit Island all over again. I've built mesh networks. I know they can be done. I also know that, even if you know which corners to cut and which equipment to use, they can be expensive and challenging to build out to any reasonable size. Plus, you still have the limited-hop issue, so any network resources that you want to access at any reasonable amount of bandwidth have to be cached at most just a couple of hops away.

tectonic 15y ago

How does it compare to Tor?

tomp 15y ago
This was my question exactly... From what I understand, Tor is an anonymizing service for web browsing (and other web activities). I2P is an anonymizing layer above the regular internet. I.e., you can use Tor to view pages/use services on the regular internet, while with I2P you can only use services that are part of I2P. On the other hand, I2P is less vulnerable - it is fully decentralized & distributed, with everyone being an equal peer in the network, while Tor relies on exit nodes to function, and normal clients don't help the network at all. See: http://www.i2p2.de/faq.html#outproxy http://www.i2p2.de/faq.html#outproxy http://www.i2p2.de/how_networkcomparisons http://www.i2p2.de/how_networkcomparisons
- vonSeckendorff 15y ago
  I've never used I2P, but Tor also has hidden services, which can only be accessed through the network and do not require exit nodes. I imagine both Tor and I2P use similar routing schemes to achieve "anonymity". http://www.torproject.org/docs/hidden-services.html.en http://www.torproject.org/docs/hidden-services.html.en I am not too trusting of the architecture though, since there has been (at least) one significant practical break before. Also the hidden services are susceptible to DoS, despite the claims that to DoS one node you have to DoS the entire network.
thaumaturgy 15y ago
I usually think of it as Tor 2.0: Tor with better anonymity and encryption. i2p has a very fair comparison between themselves and Tor at http://www.i2p2.de/how_networkcomparisons.html http://www.i2p2.de/how_networkcomparisons.html

a3_nm 15y ago

I2P is built on top on existing networks. Apparently, the darknet plan would also like a real mesh infrastructure.

thaumaturgy 15y ago
Then it's just the Reddit Island all over again. I've built mesh networks. I know they can be done. I also know that, even if you know which corners to cut and which equipment to use, they can be expensive and challenging to build out to any reasonable size. Plus, you still have the limited-hop issue, so any network resources that you want to access at any reasonable amount of bandwidth have to be cached at most just a couple of hops away.