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If something goes wrong in the middle of a 120 year old tunnel, 30 metres beneath the city, I want there to be a trained, responsible member of staff in place t
by e17 5y ago
If something goes wrong in the middle of a 120 year old tunnel, 30 metres beneath the city, I want there to be a trained, responsible member of staff in place to manage the situation. It's that simple.
- bob_theslob646 5y agoLol, what are they going to do? Keep you calm? The situation would most likely be outside of their control.
- nrki 5y agoActually, yes, British people do rather respond well to calm people with authority during a crisis.
- e17 5y agoYes, one of the reasons would be to keep the 1200 people on the train calm. It's important in an emergency for someone to be in charge of the situation. What's wrong with that? Using a rough number for a yearly travel card, 1200 * £2000 = £2.4m yearly revenue from those passengers aboard that train. I think we can spare £60k for the driver.
- lbriner 5y agoDoesn't always work though. It might help but there are plenty of times where passengers take things into their own hands and follow survival instinct against the advice of a driver, both above and below ground.
- advisedwang 5y agoDuring the July 7 bombings the train drivers led passengers out of trains and out exits. I would be glad to have someone familiar with that process on hand in the middle of that situation.
- hobbes78 5y agoIn train accidents, usually the first compositions are the most badly hit. The train driver is the most susceptible to die. You're better assisted by a remote operator...
- e17 5y agoThat's in the very narrow situation of a head-on collision, something I don't think has happened on the tube in my lifetime. I'm talking about any kind of general emergency. I remember 7/7/05 like it was yesterday.
- KineticLensman 5y agoThe 1975 Moorgate accident [0] was a single train accident that killed 43 people including the driver, who failed to brake his train as he approached a dead end. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moorgate_tube_crash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moorgate_tube_crash
- e17 5y agoAnything from a more relevant era, perhaps one in which passengers aboard an underground train weren't allowed to smoke a cigar?
- Symbiote 5y agoThere's a list. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_London_Underground_accidents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_London_Underground_acc...
- e17 5y agoAssuming you've read the list, you will know that the answer is no. No head-on tube collisions in my lifetime or in any other relevant modern era of any definition.
- KineticLensman 5y ago
- KineticLensman 5y ago> I want there to be a trained, responsible member of staff in place to manage the situation There will be. The article states that the trains will still have an onboard attendant.
- e17 5y agoAs the article also states, there will be no point at all in moving to onboard attendants because the onboard attendants will strike just the same as drivers do.
- jusssi 5y agoHere's a list of places for you to avoid (granted, not all of them run in a tunnel): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automated_train_systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automated_train_system...
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- AshamedCaptain 5y agoAnd I want one man for each 20 people "trapped" underground. Scratch that. One man for each 5 users. All of them paid minimum wage and doing absolutely nothing for 99.9% of the time. Otherwise it's unsafe. It's that simple. (/s).
- lbriner 5y agoThis isn't really the argument though. Sure, we want a member of staff to help but they could be a £30K train manager instead of a £70K driver.
- e17 5y agoAs the article explains, the train managers will strike just the same as drivers do, leaving us in exactly the same situation as before.
- yardstick 5y agoNot exactly the same situation. Less wages to pay, less pension debts to fund.
- e17 5y agoIf there are still strikes then it is the same situation. Your plan solves nothing, for reasons both the article and I have outlined already. If we put you in charge tomorrow to execute your plan of moving from £70k drivers to £30k hi-vis vest-wearers, you would cause weeks of strikes, massive disruption and solve nothing.
- yardstick 5y agoOne of cost of a few weeks of strikes to reduce cost of drivers by over half? Sign me up. Also the unions strikes are selfish in nature, they all team up to support one another to keep remuneration artificially high by holding the transport system to ransom anytime sometime tries correct it. The Tube Mafia would be a more apt name.
- pydry 5y agoHow badly paid do you want the people responsible for your safety to be?
- i_am_andy 5y ago
- himinlomax 5y agoThe last metro crash in Paris, quite a few years back, was due to the driver overspeeding in a curve for some reason.
- NVHacker 5y agoThen you shouldn't use the tube, should you ? The argument that they are trained, responsible and competent is only used to justify their benefits. If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.