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Off-topic, but: does anyone know how Vivaldi is funded? I tried looking for it for a bit, but couldn't find any income streams.

by Vinnl 5y ago

haunter 5y ago
First hit in Google https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-business-model/ https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-business-model/
- csabakissi 5y ago
  that link doesn't work: Error establishing a database connection
  - henryackerman 5y ago
    Seems like the website was hugged to death...
  - ivanbakel 5y ago
    You can access the archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20210506194445/https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-business-model/ https://web.archive.org/web/20210506194445/https://vivaldi.c... The short version is: they get money from things like search engine deals, which guide Vivaldi users to third-party services.
    - vorticalbox 5y ago
      The ad blocker is also set up to allow ads that support vivaldi by default.
  - oblio 5y ago
    It did work before we killed it. HN (and other news sites) hugged the Vivaldi site to death :-D
- deleted 5y ago
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- yunohn 5y ago
  They spoke about this business model in the release post too. I’m just finding it really hard to believe that it’s sustainable and makes them enough money to run a team…
  - lucideer 5y ago
    > I’m just finding it really hard to believe that it’s sustainable and makes them enough money to run a team… Firefox is funded the same way, and they seem to have plenty of income...
    - yunohn 5y ago
      Firefox makes the vast majority of that income via their Google partnership. Vivaldi claims they do not get paid by Google.
      - kingofclams 5y ago
        I’m not sure, but I have a feeling the majority of Vivaldi users wouldn’t be using google
        yunohn 5y ago
        Frankly speaking, I’m pretty sure most users of both Firefox and Vivaldi are using Google. But my point was more around how the minimal amount of money coming from other search engines or sponsored bookmarks can’t sustain a browser dev team.
        zamadatix 5y ago
        There were a couple years recently Firefox was primarily sponsored by either Yahoo or Bing (can't remember which) and that deal supported the entire Mozilla foundation same as the Google deal as well as Firefox (which also makes their own browser back end) not just a browser front-end dev team. So there are definitely other decent sources of income besides Google for these deals and since it's a significantly more focused organization it doesn't seem implausible to me.
- Vinnl 5y ago
  Haha, that'll teach me for thinking I can find information just by browsing through the menu items. Thanks!
asutekku 5y ago
They at least have some sponsored bookmarks if you don’t configure them bt yourself.
lightdot 5y ago
By merchadising their produc... er... users! :) That being said, according to their blog, browser users aren't tracked or profiled by Vivaldi. They claim to make money from search engine partner deals and from bookmark partner deals. And to be honest, I have no reason to think that the statement isn't true.
roachpepe 5y ago
If it's free, then you're the product. Or will eventually be, plenty of projects have started out with good intentions and a noble cause only to be ultimately bought out, userbase and all. Creating something like Vivaldi 4.0 is not cheap, someone has poured cash in - who that is, I think the end-user should be entitled to know.

Off-topic, but: does anyone know how Vivaldi is funded? I tried looking for it for a bit, but couldn't find any income streams.

by Vinnl 5y ago

Off-topic, but: does anyone know how Vivaldi is funded? I tried looking for it for a bit, but couldn't find any income streams.

haunter 5y ago

First hit in Google https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-business-model/ https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-business-model/

csabakissi 5y ago
that link doesn't work: Error establishing a database connection
- henryackerman 5y ago
  Seems like the website was hugged to death...
- ivanbakel 5y ago
  You can access the archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20210506194445/https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-business-model/ https://web.archive.org/web/20210506194445/https://vivaldi.c... The short version is: they get money from things like search engine deals, which guide Vivaldi users to third-party services.
  - vorticalbox 5y ago
    The ad blocker is also set up to allow ads that support vivaldi by default.
- oblio 5y ago
  It did work before we killed it. HN (and other news sites) hugged the Vivaldi site to death :-D
deleted 5y ago
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yunohn 5y ago
They spoke about this business model in the release post too. I’m just finding it really hard to believe that it’s sustainable and makes them enough money to run a team…
- lucideer 5y ago
  > I’m just finding it really hard to believe that it’s sustainable and makes them enough money to run a team… Firefox is funded the same way, and they seem to have plenty of income...
  - yunohn 5y ago
    Firefox makes the vast majority of that income via their Google partnership. Vivaldi claims they do not get paid by Google.
    - kingofclams 5y ago
      I’m not sure, but I have a feeling the majority of Vivaldi users wouldn’t be using google
      - yunohn 5y ago
        Frankly speaking, I’m pretty sure most users of both Firefox and Vivaldi are using Google. But my point was more around how the minimal amount of money coming from other search engines or sponsored bookmarks can’t sustain a browser dev team.
        zamadatix 5y ago
        There were a couple years recently Firefox was primarily sponsored by either Yahoo or Bing (can't remember which) and that deal supported the entire Mozilla foundation same as the Google deal as well as Firefox (which also makes their own browser back end) not just a browser front-end dev team. So there are definitely other decent sources of income besides Google for these deals and since it's a significantly more focused organization it doesn't seem implausible to me.
Vinnl 5y ago
Haha, that'll teach me for thinking I can find information just by browsing through the menu items. Thanks!

asutekku 5y ago

They at least have some sponsored bookmarks if you don’t configure them bt yourself.

lightdot 5y ago

By merchadising their produc... er... users! :) That being said, according to their blog, browser users aren't tracked or profiled by Vivaldi. They claim to make money from search engine partner deals and from bookmark partner deals. And to be honest, I have no reason to think that the statement isn't true.

roachpepe 5y ago

If it's free, then you're the product. Or will eventually be, plenty of projects have started out with good intentions and a noble cause only to be ultimately bought out, userbase and all. Creating something like Vivaldi 4.0 is not cheap, someone has poured cash in - who that is, I think the end-user should be entitled to know.