I think that's the crux of the disagreement, I explicitly don't want hackers, I want professional software developers to execute a very reasonable software proj

I think that's the crux of the disagreement, I explicitly don't want hackers, I want professional software developers to execute a very reasonable software project effectively, which is not everyone's cup of tea. There's plenty of room for hackers in the industry, to go make really cool stuff and make endless cash, and I love the architecture part more than the rest of it so for personal projects that's what I'm all about. But if I want to achieve delivery on time and in an expected format, I want zero hackers, I want career engineers. That is definitely a boring take for some, but that's just part of a maturing industry. Not every project needs to be an R&D project at the same time.