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Do the senators that voted against this bill have a reason for voting against it? One that lines up with their voting record to prove they’re being consistent.

Do the senators that voted against this bill have a reason for voting against it? One that lines up with their voting record to prove they’re being consistent. If not, I can’t see how it couldn’t be possible the senators that voted nay are somehow getting kickbacks from Chinese interests.

decremental 5y ago
The actual text of the bill probably has a lot of unrelated things in it as most do. There could have been an objection on those grounds. As a general rule, whenever both parties agree on something you just know it's got to be bad. They usually only drop the pretense that they're two opposing sides of a political divide when the ruling class has an enormous amount to gain.
- indeedmug 5y ago
  You could always look at specific issues with the bill's text rather than just spreading cynicism.
  - decremental 5y ago
    There is nothing more cynical than American politics and you should never give those politicians unearned benefit of the doubt.
  - CogitoCogito 5y ago
    I find decremental's response significantly _less_ cynical than Flatcircle's post which he/she responded to. Flatcircle is basically asking "how could this have happened short of bribery?" while decremental is saying "there could be many reasons depending on the details of the bill". I think your characterization is a bit unfair.
    - Flatcircle 5y ago
      I specifically ask a question at the start of my comment asking if there’s reasons to vote no. Then I mention does that no vote line up with how they consistently vote on other bills, for instance avoiding pork barrel bills. It appears that all the nay votes are southern republicans. Which I’m a bit surprised by as they are often China hawks. https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=117&session=1&vote=00226 https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_...
xupybd 5y ago
China is the leading manufacturer of everything. Better relations with China means cheaper goods. China is the biggest military threat to the USA. There are reasons to avoid annoying China.

decremental 5y ago

The actual text of the bill probably has a lot of unrelated things in it as most do. There could have been an objection on those grounds. As a general rule, whenever both parties agree on something you just know it's got to be bad. They usually only drop the pretense that they're two opposing sides of a political divide when the ruling class has an enormous amount to gain.

indeedmug 5y ago
You could always look at specific issues with the bill's text rather than just spreading cynicism.
- decremental 5y ago
  There is nothing more cynical than American politics and you should never give those politicians unearned benefit of the doubt.
- CogitoCogito 5y ago
  I find decremental's response significantly _less_ cynical than Flatcircle's post which he/she responded to. Flatcircle is basically asking "how could this have happened short of bribery?" while decremental is saying "there could be many reasons depending on the details of the bill". I think your characterization is a bit unfair.
  - Flatcircle 5y ago
    I specifically ask a question at the start of my comment asking if there’s reasons to vote no. Then I mention does that no vote line up with how they consistently vote on other bills, for instance avoiding pork barrel bills. It appears that all the nay votes are southern republicans. Which I’m a bit surprised by as they are often China hawks. https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=117&session=1&vote=00226 https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_...

xupybd 5y ago

China is the leading manufacturer of everything. Better relations with China means cheaper goods. China is the biggest military threat to the USA. There are reasons to avoid annoying China.