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This just sounds like undermining your boss. I wouldn't be talking to my boss about this for "permission", but to get on the same page and build shared underst

This just sounds like undermining your boss. I wouldn't be talking to my boss about this for "permission", but to get on the same page and build shared understanding.

makach 5y ago
What you "can" and "cannot do" should be formalized in the organisational structure. If it isn't you'll always run to your manager and ask for permission, this can be problematic if your manager is micromanaging, then you'll constantly have to meet expectations you don't anything about...
- cottsak 5y ago
  set this https://management30.com/practice/delegation-poker/ https://management30.com/practice/delegation-poker/ up in Trello in 10m and then buy your boss a coffee to "get on the same page". Really useful!
JoeAltmaier 5y ago
It's clear the issue was about how that wasn't working. I'm sorry, but that sounds like pretty naïve. Many of us have worked for these kind of CEOs, with enough experience to think they know what they're talking about but not enough actual education to make the right decision. Managing someone is about enabling them, not bullying them. The CEO doesn't 'get to ' make the decision, they are tasked with making the correct decision. That means understanding from their experts all the issues. The CEO in question seemed to be ignoring their expert.
- ZephyrBlu 5y ago
  I don't expect every CEO to do what I described, but if your CEO doesn't want to listen to you when you're supposed to be the head of sales and marketing why would you continue to work for them? The guy raised possible issues with the CEO's plan and was ignored. If he's worth his salt, why wouldn't he be looking to find another company where he's valued more appropriately for his role?
Ensorceled 5y ago
Undermining to whom? His boss is the CEO! Blank isn't recommending he go to the board of directors ...
- ZephyrBlu 5y ago
  To everyone? If I was an employee and heard about this I would lose a lot of respect and trust for the CEO.
  - Ensorceled 5y ago
    I see. My team would literally never hear about this discussion with the CEO. We'd start working on US operations and I would assign some people to do Lean user validation. As would be my prerogative in that role, as they would already know how to do and would be expecting to do as a first step.

This just sounds like undermining your boss. I wouldn't be talking to my boss about this for "permission", but to get on the same page and build shared understanding.

makach 5y ago

What you "can" and "cannot do" should be formalized in the organisational structure. If it isn't you'll always run to your manager and ask for permission, this can be problematic if your manager is micromanaging, then you'll constantly have to meet expectations you don't anything about...

cottsak 5y ago
set this https://management30.com/practice/delegation-poker/ https://management30.com/practice/delegation-poker/ up in Trello in 10m and then buy your boss a coffee to "get on the same page". Really useful!

JoeAltmaier 5y ago

It's clear the issue was about how that wasn't working. I'm sorry, but that sounds like pretty naïve. Many of us have worked for these kind of CEOs, with enough experience to think they know what they're talking about but not enough actual education to make the right decision. Managing someone is about enabling them, not bullying them. The CEO doesn't 'get to ' make the decision, they are tasked with making the correct decision. That means understanding from their experts all the issues. The CEO in question seemed to be ignoring their expert.

ZephyrBlu 5y ago
I don't expect every CEO to do what I described, but if your CEO doesn't want to listen to you when you're supposed to be the head of sales and marketing why would you continue to work for them? The guy raised possible issues with the CEO's plan and was ignored. If he's worth his salt, why wouldn't he be looking to find another company where he's valued more appropriately for his role?

Ensorceled 5y ago

Undermining to whom? His boss is the CEO! Blank isn't recommending he go to the board of directors ...

ZephyrBlu 5y ago
To everyone? If I was an employee and heard about this I would lose a lot of respect and trust for the CEO.
- Ensorceled 5y ago
  I see. My team would literally never hear about this discussion with the CEO. We'd start working on US operations and I would assign some people to do Lean user validation. As would be my prerogative in that role, as they would already know how to do and would be expecting to do as a first step.