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The initial alpha (beta?) release of the project was scheduled for public review, but the developer was accepting payments for early access. I won't comment on

The initial alpha (beta?) release of the project was scheduled for public review, but the developer was accepting payments for early access. I won't comment on the state of the release that some people paid for. The devs seem to have made a few enemies. Devs of other small projects, specifically Nim and Zig aren't fans of V to say the least. Nim devs allege that the V project has made defamatory remarks about their project. Zig developer, Andrew Kelly, also had some things to say about V. [0],[1] There have been numerous occasions of the V dev deleting criticism. There are claims that the V project has been buying stars on github. The project makes very bold claims about the feature set while not having actually implemented said features. There is a popular set of blog posts that dives into the issues with claims vs reality [2],[3],[4] My opinion is that I do find it disingenuous, and borderline scammy, to accept donations and at the same time claim V can do the things it claims. Ultimately, I think the dev is just not great at managing expectations. I highly doubt any of it is malicious intent. Also, somewhere in one of these, Andrew retracts his accusation of fraud, due to the V devs updating the advertised capabilities of the project. [0] https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/292 https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/292 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20230351 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20230351 [2] https://christine.website/blog/v-vaporware-2019-06-23 https://christine.website/blog/v-vaporware-2019-06-23 [3] https://christine.website/blog/v-vvork-in-progress-2020-01-03 https://christine.website/blog/v-vvork-in-progress-2020-01-0... [4] https://christine.website/blog/vlang-update-2020-06-17 https://christine.website/blog/vlang-update-2020-06-17

dnautics 5y ago
I imagine quite a bit of the dustup might be language issues and cultural issues around what is and isn't okay / how to differentiate between planned feature and existing feature.
- ylluminate 5y ago
  It has been somewhat sad in that I have seen cultural / communication problems. There are a lot of folks who just don't talk or comport the same from different regions around the world and it has been easily misinterpreted as negative vs simply not functioning the same socially.
ylluminate 5y ago
All of this has been addressed and/and resolved elsewhere. Not sure of references of the top of my head, but check Discord (and/or maybe GH).
xena 5y ago
I am the author of articles [2], [3], and [4] if you have any questions.
- colesantiago 5y ago
  Is V still vapourware in your opinion since you made your posts? Seems to have improved significantly since then.
  - xena 5y ago
    Personally I think it is something that should be ignored until it dies into obscurity. There are good ideas there, but if you sell someone the moon and give them a block of cheese that's kind of a scam.
    - colesantiago 5y ago
      I get your point, but it doesn't look like this project would be ignored for some time, though it also makes some sense to market some features of the language with some demos, UI, GL and even an OS to show its capabilities. And if you ask me, it's very impressive that an OS can be written in V as well.
      - vlang1dot0 5y ago
        It's not terribly impressive when the compiler just outputs C and invokes TCC or your platform's compiler to do the actual work. V is far more like a different syntax for C than it is a real language. Perhaps one day that will change but currently V is to C as CoffeeScript is to JavaScript.
        rezaprima 5y ago
        hmm. IIRC, C++ also started by compiling to C. Typescript also compiles to JS. CMIIW. Coffeescript also gained popularity (perhaps until JS caught up and render CS not relevant anymore)

dnautics 5y ago

I imagine quite a bit of the dustup might be language issues and cultural issues around what is and isn't okay / how to differentiate between planned feature and existing feature.

ylluminate 5y ago
It has been somewhat sad in that I have seen cultural / communication problems. There are a lot of folks who just don't talk or comport the same from different regions around the world and it has been easily misinterpreted as negative vs simply not functioning the same socially.

ylluminate 5y ago

All of this has been addressed and/and resolved elsewhere. Not sure of references of the top of my head, but check Discord (and/or maybe GH).

xena 5y ago

I am the author of articles [2], [3], and [4] if you have any questions.

colesantiago 5y ago
Is V still vapourware in your opinion since you made your posts? Seems to have improved significantly since then.
- xena 5y ago
  Personally I think it is something that should be ignored until it dies into obscurity. There are good ideas there, but if you sell someone the moon and give them a block of cheese that's kind of a scam.
  - colesantiago 5y ago
    I get your point, but it doesn't look like this project would be ignored for some time, though it also makes some sense to market some features of the language with some demos, UI, GL and even an OS to show its capabilities. And if you ask me, it's very impressive that an OS can be written in V as well.
    - vlang1dot0 5y ago
      It's not terribly impressive when the compiler just outputs C and invokes TCC or your platform's compiler to do the actual work. V is far more like a different syntax for C than it is a real language. Perhaps one day that will change but currently V is to C as CoffeeScript is to JavaScript.
      - rezaprima 5y ago
        hmm. IIRC, C++ also started by compiling to C. Typescript also compiles to JS. CMIIW. Coffeescript also gained popularity (perhaps until JS caught up and render CS not relevant anymore)