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V is shady AF. Steer clear of it.

by programmer_dude 5y ago

AnimalMuppet 5y ago
Either that's slander, or it needs some explanation and, preferably, documentation.
- kaba0 5y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27440032 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27440032 But feel free to look up any older thread on the language. It’s the musk of PLs.
- adamdusty 5y ago
  The initial alpha (beta?) release of the project was scheduled for public review, but the developer was accepting payments for early access. I won't comment on the state of the release that some people paid for. The devs seem to have made a few enemies. Devs of other small projects, specifically Nim and Zig aren't fans of V to say the least. Nim devs allege that the V project has made defamatory remarks about their project. Zig developer, Andrew Kelly, also had some things to say about V. [0],[1] There have been numerous occasions of the V dev deleting criticism. There are claims that the V project has been buying stars on github. The project makes very bold claims about the feature set while not having actually implemented said features. There is a popular set of blog posts that dives into the issues with claims vs reality [2],[3],[4] My opinion is that I do find it disingenuous, and borderline scammy, to accept donations and at the same time claim V can do the things it claims. Ultimately, I think the dev is just not great at managing expectations. I highly doubt any of it is malicious intent. Also, somewhere in one of these, Andrew retracts his accusation of fraud, due to the V devs updating the advertised capabilities of the project. [0] https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/292 https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/292 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20230351 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20230351 [2] https://christine.website/blog/v-vaporware-2019-06-23 https://christine.website/blog/v-vaporware-2019-06-23 [3] https://christine.website/blog/v-vvork-in-progress-2020-01-03 https://christine.website/blog/v-vvork-in-progress-2020-01-0... [4] https://christine.website/blog/vlang-update-2020-06-17 https://christine.website/blog/vlang-update-2020-06-17
  - dnautics 5y ago
    I imagine quite a bit of the dustup might be language issues and cultural issues around what is and isn't okay / how to differentiate between planned feature and existing feature.
    - ylluminate 5y ago
      It has been somewhat sad in that I have seen cultural / communication problems. There are a lot of folks who just don't talk or comport the same from different regions around the world and it has been easily misinterpreted as negative vs simply not functioning the same socially.
  - ylluminate 5y ago
    All of this has been addressed and/and resolved elsewhere. Not sure of references of the top of my head, but check Discord (and/or maybe GH).
  - xena 5y ago
    I am the author of articles [2], [3], and [4] if you have any questions.
    - colesantiago 5y ago
      Is V still vapourware in your opinion since you made your posts? Seems to have improved significantly since then.
      - xena 5y ago
        Personally I think it is something that should be ignored until it dies into obscurity. There are good ideas there, but if you sell someone the moon and give them a block of cheese that's kind of a scam.
        colesantiago 5y ago
        I get your point, but it doesn't look like this project would be ignored for some time, though it also makes some sense to market some features of the language with some demos, UI, GL and even an OS to show its capabilities. And if you ask me, it's very impressive that an OS can be written in V as well.
- deleted 5y ago
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- majjgepolja 5y ago
  It's a teenager who doesn't have much CS knowledge [0] thinking he can put two features over golang and make a fortune out of it. [0] anyone with proper knowledge doesn't claim they can "avoid GC by automatically inserting calls to free" Its disturbing how this shitfest even gets treated as real, even people who made reasonably good languages (crystal, nim, odin) did not get the hype this got.
Shadonototro 5y ago
Zig is shady AF. Steer clear of it. Andrew, Jai coming at you soon ;)

V is shady AF. Steer clear of it.

AnimalMuppet 5y ago

Either that's slander, or it needs some explanation and, preferably, documentation.

kaba0 5y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27440032 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27440032 But feel free to look up any older thread on the language. It’s the musk of PLs.
adamdusty 5y ago
The initial alpha (beta?) release of the project was scheduled for public review, but the developer was accepting payments for early access. I won't comment on the state of the release that some people paid for. The devs seem to have made a few enemies. Devs of other small projects, specifically Nim and Zig aren't fans of V to say the least. Nim devs allege that the V project has made defamatory remarks about their project. Zig developer, Andrew Kelly, also had some things to say about V. [0],[1] There have been numerous occasions of the V dev deleting criticism. There are claims that the V project has been buying stars on github. The project makes very bold claims about the feature set while not having actually implemented said features. There is a popular set of blog posts that dives into the issues with claims vs reality [2],[3],[4] My opinion is that I do find it disingenuous, and borderline scammy, to accept donations and at the same time claim V can do the things it claims. Ultimately, I think the dev is just not great at managing expectations. I highly doubt any of it is malicious intent. Also, somewhere in one of these, Andrew retracts his accusation of fraud, due to the V devs updating the advertised capabilities of the project. [0] https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/292 https://github.com/vlang/v/issues/292 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20230351 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20230351 [2] https://christine.website/blog/v-vaporware-2019-06-23 https://christine.website/blog/v-vaporware-2019-06-23 [3] https://christine.website/blog/v-vvork-in-progress-2020-01-03 https://christine.website/blog/v-vvork-in-progress-2020-01-0... [4] https://christine.website/blog/vlang-update-2020-06-17 https://christine.website/blog/vlang-update-2020-06-17
- dnautics 5y ago
  I imagine quite a bit of the dustup might be language issues and cultural issues around what is and isn't okay / how to differentiate between planned feature and existing feature.
  - ylluminate 5y ago
    It has been somewhat sad in that I have seen cultural / communication problems. There are a lot of folks who just don't talk or comport the same from different regions around the world and it has been easily misinterpreted as negative vs simply not functioning the same socially.
- ylluminate 5y ago
  All of this has been addressed and/and resolved elsewhere. Not sure of references of the top of my head, but check Discord (and/or maybe GH).
- xena 5y ago
  I am the author of articles [2], [3], and [4] if you have any questions.
  - colesantiago 5y ago
    Is V still vapourware in your opinion since you made your posts? Seems to have improved significantly since then.
    - xena 5y ago
      Personally I think it is something that should be ignored until it dies into obscurity. There are good ideas there, but if you sell someone the moon and give them a block of cheese that's kind of a scam.
      - colesantiago 5y ago
        I get your point, but it doesn't look like this project would be ignored for some time, though it also makes some sense to market some features of the language with some demos, UI, GL and even an OS to show its capabilities. And if you ask me, it's very impressive that an OS can be written in V as well.
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majjgepolja 5y ago
It's a teenager who doesn't have much CS knowledge [0] thinking he can put two features over golang and make a fortune out of it. [0] anyone with proper knowledge doesn't claim they can "avoid GC by automatically inserting calls to free" Its disturbing how this shitfest even gets treated as real, even people who made reasonably good languages (crystal, nim, odin) did not get the hype this got.

Shadonototro 5y ago

Zig is shady AF. Steer clear of it. Andrew, Jai coming at you soon ;)