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Take a full dose. Go outside to take a walk. Get arrested. Realize in lockdown that all societal control is just an illusion and an ego trip by those who think

by speapr 5y ago

Take a full dose. Go outside to take a walk. Get arrested. Realize in lockdown that all societal control is just an illusion and an ego trip by those who think they need to pretend to exert power, and that nothing can hold down your divine, free essence as a living god.

varelse 5y ago
And wake up in a hospital weeks later realizing you got a bad batch because these drugs aren't legal so there's no quality control and now you're on the fast track to early dementia. Pass.
- h0l0cube 5y ago
  The worst I've heard of someone on acid is a terrifying 8 hours, but nothing beyond temporary distress, and nothing life threatening. AFAIA its so cheap to make that there's no profit incentive to cut it with anything else
  - meetups323 5y ago
    Very possible for it to be contaminated without intent. I have friends who unintentionally consumed PCP-laced acid, ended up running through razor wire, woke up in the hospital.
    - olyjohn 5y ago
      That's why you buy one of those drug testing kits. Don't test street drugs from untrusted sources in your body. This was literally the first DDG search result. https://testkitplus.com/product-category/test-kits https://testkitplus.com/product-category/test-kits
      - varelse 5y ago
        This is simultaneously everything right and everything wrong with America: an entrepreneurial solution to a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place.
  - varelse 5y ago
    If you go through the trouble of making your own like Albert Hofmann did, sure. You're not going to though, are you? So you're putting your biggest asset in the hands of criminals of unknown intent. Good luck with that... But I support your right to smoke, snort, or inject whatever you want. I'm getting older now and my brain is starting to slow down so I really appreciate your opting in to annihilating the advantage of youth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Hofmann https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Hofmann
    - h0l0cube 5y ago
      > I really appreciate your opting in to annihilating the advantage of youth. Why do you presume I'm young?
      - varelse 5y ago
        My bad: I thought wisdom came with age.
        h0l0cube 5y ago
        Why do you presume me to be unwise? I think a better rhetorical strategy is not to be snarky, it telling of an underlying resentment, but doesn't change anyone's mind. samatman's response though a little heated, answered with knowledge and real world experience and has somewhat changed my perspective. I can't say my anecdotal experiences match theirs
        varelse 5y ago
        I've done OK avoiding the brainfarts of thought leaders and other fools so far. But I grew up surprisingly deep inside drug culture with 2 drug-dealing siblings and their drug-dealing shenanigans. Yet I believe there's nothing wrong with recreational drug use. But I know people firsthand that were messed up by bad batches, one permanently. Also, I find people who espouse fast paths to enlightenment are frequently closet psychotics. I avoid them too. YMMV but my lightcone, my choices, no? "If you meet Buddha on the road, kill him." - Lin Chi
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  - samatman 5y ago
    Nah be very careful with that. There are highly potent synthetics which are passed off as LSD, where unlike LSD, taking a small multiple of a single dose can be physically dangerous. I've also heard of (hell experienced once) worse from pure LSD than a terrifying 8 hours. It's worthy of great respect and caution, and I don't recommend it to anyone on that basis. Which isn't to say no one should take it, just that it won't be because I urged them to.
    - h0l0cube 5y ago
      I'm not speaking from naivete here. The main point is that it's temporary. And 'hell experience' can be a useful one, especially with guidance. The sensible thing to do, for a first-timer, is to have a trip-sitter. A more qualified person on this topic is James Fadiman, who recently sat down with Sam Harris to talk specifically about his clinical studies of dosing with psychedelics. https://samharris.org/podcasts/242-psychedelics-self/ https://samharris.org/podcasts/242-psychedelics-self/ > There are highly potent synthetics which are passed off as LSD, where unlike LSD, taking a small multiple of a single dose can be physically dangerous. The only cheaper thing I've seen floating around the darkweb is NBOMe. Can you be explicit about what you're alluding to here?
      - samatman 5y ago
        > I'm not speaking from naivete here. The main point is that it's temporary. Perhaps not, but you're not speaking from all the experience in the world either, and you're understating the dangers. I personally know someone who jumped off a parking structure on LSD, and I know another person who had ongoing mental problems triggered by LSD psychosis, where "temporary" included a bout of hospitalization and moving home to live in his Mom's basement for awhile, while he got his shit together. And please don't say that suicide and psychosis happen to people when they aren't on LSD as well, or handwave about "don't take it if you might have latent psychosis". I know more people who use ecstasy than take LSD, and I've never heard of someone killing themselves on it; and how, exactly, is someone supposed to know they have latent psychotic tendencies before a heavy acid trip triggers them? LSD is an incredibly powerful substance, which should be treated with respect, caution, and even a bit of fear. Obviously it can be worth it, the median LSD experience is life-changing in a positive direction, but in my humble opinion 2CB and psilocybin have a lot to offer while being less dangerous. 2CB doesn't appear to be psychotogenic at all, and psiloc(yb)in lasts 1/3rd as long, is less stimulating, and an hour of psychic trauma (which lasts a subjective lifetime) is less risky than six hours of psychic trauma (each of which lasts a subjective lifetime). Of course, among my friends, the second worst outcome was nine years in prison. LSD shouldn't be illegal, and it has a lot to offer the world. But just like people should know that downhill skiing risks breaking your neck, no one should go into a relationship with LSD thinking that a 'temporary' bad time is the worst thing that can happen. It isn't. Yes, I was referring to 2CBFly-NBOMe and 25I-NBOMe. There may be others by now, but if so I'm not aware of them. Point being that "LSD is not physically dangerous" needs to include the warning that not everything someone puts on a blotter is LSD, and some of those things can kill you in a very unpleasant way. I've been to a bunch of MAPS conferences and met Jim, so since I don't like Sam Harris I'll pass on that particular podcast.
  - bagacrap 5y ago
    it's cheap to make but pretty difficult. Counterfeits exist because they're easier to make.
imiric 5y ago
"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."
- jredwards 5y ago
  Thanks, Bill.

by speapr 5y ago

varelse 5y ago

And wake up in a hospital weeks later realizing you got a bad batch because these drugs aren't legal so there's no quality control and now you're on the fast track to early dementia. Pass.

h0l0cube 5y ago
The worst I've heard of someone on acid is a terrifying 8 hours, but nothing beyond temporary distress, and nothing life threatening. AFAIA its so cheap to make that there's no profit incentive to cut it with anything else
- meetups323 5y ago
  Very possible for it to be contaminated without intent. I have friends who unintentionally consumed PCP-laced acid, ended up running through razor wire, woke up in the hospital.
  - olyjohn 5y ago
    That's why you buy one of those drug testing kits. Don't test street drugs from untrusted sources in your body. This was literally the first DDG search result. https://testkitplus.com/product-category/test-kits https://testkitplus.com/product-category/test-kits
    - varelse 5y ago
      This is simultaneously everything right and everything wrong with America: an entrepreneurial solution to a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place.
- varelse 5y ago
  If you go through the trouble of making your own like Albert Hofmann did, sure. You're not going to though, are you? So you're putting your biggest asset in the hands of criminals of unknown intent. Good luck with that... But I support your right to smoke, snort, or inject whatever you want. I'm getting older now and my brain is starting to slow down so I really appreciate your opting in to annihilating the advantage of youth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Hofmann https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Hofmann
  - h0l0cube 5y ago
    > I really appreciate your opting in to annihilating the advantage of youth. Why do you presume I'm young?
    - varelse 5y ago
      My bad: I thought wisdom came with age.
      - h0l0cube 5y ago
        Why do you presume me to be unwise? I think a better rhetorical strategy is not to be snarky, it telling of an underlying resentment, but doesn't change anyone's mind. samatman's response though a little heated, answered with knowledge and real world experience and has somewhat changed my perspective. I can't say my anecdotal experiences match theirs
        varelse 5y ago
        I've done OK avoiding the brainfarts of thought leaders and other fools so far. But I grew up surprisingly deep inside drug culture with 2 drug-dealing siblings and their drug-dealing shenanigans. Yet I believe there's nothing wrong with recreational drug use. But I know people firsthand that were messed up by bad batches, one permanently. Also, I find people who espouse fast paths to enlightenment are frequently closet psychotics. I avoid them too. YMMV but my lightcone, my choices, no? "If you meet Buddha on the road, kill him." - Lin Chi
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- samatman 5y ago
  Nah be very careful with that. There are highly potent synthetics which are passed off as LSD, where unlike LSD, taking a small multiple of a single dose can be physically dangerous. I've also heard of (hell experienced once) worse from pure LSD than a terrifying 8 hours. It's worthy of great respect and caution, and I don't recommend it to anyone on that basis. Which isn't to say no one should take it, just that it won't be because I urged them to.
  - h0l0cube 5y ago
    I'm not speaking from naivete here. The main point is that it's temporary. And 'hell experience' can be a useful one, especially with guidance. The sensible thing to do, for a first-timer, is to have a trip-sitter. A more qualified person on this topic is James Fadiman, who recently sat down with Sam Harris to talk specifically about his clinical studies of dosing with psychedelics. https://samharris.org/podcasts/242-psychedelics-self/ https://samharris.org/podcasts/242-psychedelics-self/ > There are highly potent synthetics which are passed off as LSD, where unlike LSD, taking a small multiple of a single dose can be physically dangerous. The only cheaper thing I've seen floating around the darkweb is NBOMe. Can you be explicit about what you're alluding to here?
    - samatman 5y ago
      > I'm not speaking from naivete here. The main point is that it's temporary. Perhaps not, but you're not speaking from all the experience in the world either, and you're understating the dangers. I personally know someone who jumped off a parking structure on LSD, and I know another person who had ongoing mental problems triggered by LSD psychosis, where "temporary" included a bout of hospitalization and moving home to live in his Mom's basement for awhile, while he got his shit together. And please don't say that suicide and psychosis happen to people when they aren't on LSD as well, or handwave about "don't take it if you might have latent psychosis". I know more people who use ecstasy than take LSD, and I've never heard of someone killing themselves on it; and how, exactly, is someone supposed to know they have latent psychotic tendencies before a heavy acid trip triggers them? LSD is an incredibly powerful substance, which should be treated with respect, caution, and even a bit of fear. Obviously it can be worth it, the median LSD experience is life-changing in a positive direction, but in my humble opinion 2CB and psilocybin have a lot to offer while being less dangerous. 2CB doesn't appear to be psychotogenic at all, and psiloc(yb)in lasts 1/3rd as long, is less stimulating, and an hour of psychic trauma (which lasts a subjective lifetime) is less risky than six hours of psychic trauma (each of which lasts a subjective lifetime). Of course, among my friends, the second worst outcome was nine years in prison. LSD shouldn't be illegal, and it has a lot to offer the world. But just like people should know that downhill skiing risks breaking your neck, no one should go into a relationship with LSD thinking that a 'temporary' bad time is the worst thing that can happen. It isn't. Yes, I was referring to 2CBFly-NBOMe and 25I-NBOMe. There may be others by now, but if so I'm not aware of them. Point being that "LSD is not physically dangerous" needs to include the warning that not everything someone puts on a blotter is LSD, and some of those things can kill you in a very unpleasant way. I've been to a bunch of MAPS conferences and met Jim, so since I don't like Sam Harris I'll pass on that particular podcast.
- bagacrap 5y ago
  it's cheap to make but pretty difficult. Counterfeits exist because they're easier to make.

imiric 5y ago

"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."

jredwards 5y ago
Thanks, Bill.