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So if someone wanted to demonstrate poor building codes by setting your house on fire, that would be okay too, since you know, it's in the public interest to de
by bko 5y ago
So if someone wanted to demonstrate poor building codes by setting your house on fire, that would be okay too, since you know, it's in the public interest to demonstrate lax building codes?
Privacy is a right that I would think more people on this forum would respect. I don't see why you're so happy to offer up the rights of others as sacrificial lambs to make some political point.
- toomuchtodo 5y agoA better analogy would be breaking and entering to collect evidence that a building was unsafe for occupancy, and I’d support that as well under the assumption that due process had failed and there was risk to those marginalized. I don’t believe there is an absolute right to privacy. As always, there’s nuance.
- bko 5y agoSo evidence obtained illegally outside of due-process is fair game in your book? I guess by saying "when due process failed" kind of makes it so since by definition it "failed".
- itsoktocry 5y ago>So evidence obtained illegally outside of due-process is fair game in your book? So evidence of horrible crimes should be ignored if subjective "due-process" isn't followed? You do realize that the moneyed elite have disproportionate influence over "process" and law, right? Focus on the leaks and whether they are true, not the messenger.
- bko 5y agoThe "horrible crimes" of following the applicable tax laws. Got it. I'm not focusing on the messenger. I'm questioning the ethics to violate the privacy of private individuals to try to score political points.
- aaron-santos 5y agoYou're not advocating for modeling our actions, social interactions, behaviours, and relationships after our criminal justice system, right? Also you're not advocating for an equivalentcy between judicial evidenciary procedure and information gathering, and judicial due process and social due process, right?
- sokoloff 5y agoDoes this hypothesize the lack of a functioning court system to issue a search warrant, the lack of observing the Fourth Amendment in the US (or equivalent in many other countries), or both?
- toomuchtodo 5y agoNo hard and fast rules. Like obscenity, a reasonable person believes the situation warrants it when they see it.
- greenie_beans 5y agoWhat? That house burning example is absurd and bad logic
- deeblering4 5y agoIf you purposely set it on fire, thats arson. But actually yes, in many cases accidents are catalyst needed to make change happen for the benefit of the public. A dangerous intersection gets a traffic light after a horrible car crash. A dangerous building design code gets corrected after the doors wont open outward during a fire. Problems need to first come to light to be fixed.
- sophacles 5y ago> So if someone wanted to demonstrate poor building codes by setting your house on fire, that would be okay too, since you know, it's in the public interest to demonstrate lax building codes? Yes, of course destroying property and incurring expenses for the local government is exactly the same as releasing records... oh no wait - its not at all the same.