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I would really like to get a job in medical ML, but without a related degree it seems impossible. I'm "only" a Veterinarian and I don't even get interviews...

ecmascript 5y ago
Why not build something on your spare time and try to create your own job then?
- throwaways885 5y ago
  How would one person bootstrap a venture in medical ML without initial funding or datasets?
  - itsoktocry 5y ago
    Do you think it's the model and the data that's novel? That's exactly why AI is failing. How about starting with a problem to solve? You don't need anything but a pen and paper. Gotta start somewhere.
    - bayesian_horse 5y ago
      A pen and a paper doesn't make you any money. I have tons of ideas. Doesn't mean jack though. In medical AI, you really need datasets. Of the most expensive kind, and lots of it.
    - throwaways885 5y ago
      Getting trusted access to medical datasets is a huge issue, and so is getting clinicians to use the systems you've produced. Both of these problems are usually fixed with large amounts of funding.
- bayesian_horse 5y ago
  Founding a startup is not an option available to everyone. It takes money and other resources. And for some of the same reasons that I am unemployed despite valuable skills, it is virtually impossible for me to get any funding.
  - ecmascript 5y ago
    I completely disagree with you, bootstrapping your own internet company doesn't cost a lot. Except effort and time. You can fund it yourself with basically any income. Of course you will never get anywhere with an attitude like the one you currently have. It's not the skill or resources that is the problem, it's the mindset.
    - bayesian_horse 5y ago
      The chances of succeeding with a bootstrapped internet company are extremely low. You confuse results I observed with my "attitude". I am trying quite a few things. I am only observing negative results. That might look like a negative attitude, it is, however, reality.
axelroze 5y ago
A friend of mine once got rejected from a big name company after a few months of interviews. Reason was that he did not have a PhD. It's hard to get into the business. You could try to start-up and then plan to get acquihired. Or go and do a PhD. It's never too late for more schooling.
- bayesian_horse 5y ago
  I'm not getting into any PhD programs though, because my CV is essentially radioactive (I tried...). I'm not getting any funding for a startup, for much of the same reasons.
  - itsoktocry 5y ago
    >I'm not getting any funding for a startup, for much of the same reasons. I hate to ask why you believe this, because I see VC money being thrown at borderline low-lifes with mediocre ideas. There are so many "angel investors" on Twitter of companies I've never heard of... The SV bubble can warp your brain, but an outsider's tip is to focus on your idea before you start worrying about funding it...
    - bayesian_horse 5y ago
      I live in Germany. I have looked into creating a startup. Bootstrapping doesn't mean I'll ever earn an income (I'm unemployed) and I may even lose my benefits. The chances of succeeding are excessively low, and the funding situation in Germany is very different. You mostly need to have revenue before you get funding. And when you aren't even employable on the normal labor market, then it is a lot harder still.
redsymbol 5y ago
Reading some of your replies, you are good at coming up with reasons you cannot be successful. A friendly suggestion: this attitude may be holding you back more than you realized before now. What to do instead, is repeatedly ask yourself: "how can I do this?" Apply this to many specific areas: - How can I change my CV so it comes across differently? - How can I begin a small startup without money or other resources? - How can I move towards my goal without any new degree? - How is my training in veterinary medicine an asset? - How can I do medical ML for veterinary medicine? - Et cetera... You have a choice now to dig into your heels and say to yourself reasons why none of what I say above will work, and why your situation is truly and utterly hopeless. OR you can say different things to yourself, maybe get a different result.
- bayesian_horse 5y ago
  Those are all very obvious questions that I have been asking myself for years, without finding useful answers. The objective reality is that I did not succeed. Somehow people think accepting that means I have a negative attitude. I haven't given up on ever working again, but I'm not delusional enough to think I haven't been unemployed for a long time.

ecmascript 5y ago

Why not build something on your spare time and try to create your own job then?

throwaways885 5y ago
How would one person bootstrap a venture in medical ML without initial funding or datasets?
- itsoktocry 5y ago
  Do you think it's the model and the data that's novel? That's exactly why AI is failing. How about starting with a problem to solve? You don't need anything but a pen and paper. Gotta start somewhere.
  - bayesian_horse 5y ago
    A pen and a paper doesn't make you any money. I have tons of ideas. Doesn't mean jack though. In medical AI, you really need datasets. Of the most expensive kind, and lots of it.
  - throwaways885 5y ago
    Getting trusted access to medical datasets is a huge issue, and so is getting clinicians to use the systems you've produced. Both of these problems are usually fixed with large amounts of funding.
bayesian_horse 5y ago
Founding a startup is not an option available to everyone. It takes money and other resources. And for some of the same reasons that I am unemployed despite valuable skills, it is virtually impossible for me to get any funding.
- ecmascript 5y ago
  I completely disagree with you, bootstrapping your own internet company doesn't cost a lot. Except effort and time. You can fund it yourself with basically any income. Of course you will never get anywhere with an attitude like the one you currently have. It's not the skill or resources that is the problem, it's the mindset.
  - bayesian_horse 5y ago
    The chances of succeeding with a bootstrapped internet company are extremely low. You confuse results I observed with my "attitude". I am trying quite a few things. I am only observing negative results. That might look like a negative attitude, it is, however, reality.

axelroze 5y ago

A friend of mine once got rejected from a big name company after a few months of interviews. Reason was that he did not have a PhD. It's hard to get into the business. You could try to start-up and then plan to get acquihired. Or go and do a PhD. It's never too late for more schooling.

bayesian_horse 5y ago
I'm not getting into any PhD programs though, because my CV is essentially radioactive (I tried...). I'm not getting any funding for a startup, for much of the same reasons.
- itsoktocry 5y ago
  >I'm not getting any funding for a startup, for much of the same reasons. I hate to ask why you believe this, because I see VC money being thrown at borderline low-lifes with mediocre ideas. There are so many "angel investors" on Twitter of companies I've never heard of... The SV bubble can warp your brain, but an outsider's tip is to focus on your idea before you start worrying about funding it...
  - bayesian_horse 5y ago
    I live in Germany. I have looked into creating a startup. Bootstrapping doesn't mean I'll ever earn an income (I'm unemployed) and I may even lose my benefits. The chances of succeeding are excessively low, and the funding situation in Germany is very different. You mostly need to have revenue before you get funding. And when you aren't even employable on the normal labor market, then it is a lot harder still.

redsymbol 5y ago

Reading some of your replies, you are good at coming up with reasons you cannot be successful. A friendly suggestion: this attitude may be holding you back more than you realized before now. What to do instead, is repeatedly ask yourself: "how can I do this?" Apply this to many specific areas: - How can I change my CV so it comes across differently? - How can I begin a small startup without money or other resources? - How can I move towards my goal without any new degree? - How is my training in veterinary medicine an asset? - How can I do medical ML for veterinary medicine? - Et cetera... You have a choice now to dig into your heels and say to yourself reasons why none of what I say above will work, and why your situation is truly and utterly hopeless. OR you can say different things to yourself, maybe get a different result.

bayesian_horse 5y ago
Those are all very obvious questions that I have been asking myself for years, without finding useful answers. The objective reality is that I did not succeed. Somehow people think accepting that means I have a negative attitude. I haven't given up on ever working again, but I'm not delusional enough to think I haven't been unemployed for a long time.