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I sort of wonder if they are going in the opposite direction. iOS on Mac seems like where they headed.

by rubyfan 5y ago

arthurcolle 5y ago
Nightmare scenario
- ethbr0 5y ago
  Optimize for revenue. Minimize freedom.
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jolux 5y ago
M1 Macs can already run iOS apps.
- lostgame 5y ago
  I’m not familiar with the way iOS apps are run on Big Sur natively. What happens when multi-touch with hand-eye coordination is required? My Mac runs a Nintendo DS emulator fine, but it sure is a bitch for a game like Scribblenauts, or any game requiring drawing precise shapes or letters - because the input was designed for a stylus, not a mouse or trackpad. Also; the distance between the input device (mouse) and the output appearing on a monitor in a different locations make playing a handful of DS games in an emulator an awful representation of the actual experience. While I get I can probably run Instagram or whatever, I’m just curious as to how they handle all these flaws with porting multi-touch heavy apps - a huge cornerstone of iOS devices. Just wondering how they handled that. :)
  - Jcowell 5y ago
    It’s up to the Devs to determine if their iOS/iPadOS App is suitable to be offered on M1 Macs. Some (like the HBO Max) honestly shouldn’t be offered.
chipotle_coyote 5y ago
I wrote about why I think that's exceedingly unlikely back in April, knowing that there was a chance I'd be proven wrong just two months later (i.e., today). I wasn't. https://micro.coyotetracks.org/2021/04/21/the-mac-and.html https://micro.coyotetracks.org/2021/04/21/the-mac-and.html My argument from there is that Apple has been demonstrating a consistent philosophy since the start of the iPad: - Macs are general purpose computers - iPads/iPhones are application consoles, analogous to game consoles That philosophy doesn't preclude securing macOS in annoying ways, but it does preclude locking down macOS like iOS. The notion that Apple would force all Mac apps to be installed from the App Store because it would increase their revenue simply doesn't hold water, because, as I noted then, the Venn diagram of "users likely to walk over such a change" and "users likely to spend boggling amounts of money on Apple hardware" is close to a perfect circle. Even if that's only a few percent of those high-ticket users, that's literally millions of lost unit sales. Furthermore, I stand by my thoughts then that if Apple was ever going to try such a radical move, it would have been last year, with the introduction of Apple Silicon and the relatively radical redesign brought by macOS Big Sur. The flip side of this philosophy, though, is that we're probably not going to ever see iOS open the way macOS is any more than they must for technical, market, or regulatory reasons. My suspicion is that in the long run there's a new OS that will replace both macOS and iPadOS, and at that point, all bets may be off. But I don't think we're going to see that within the next few years.
- caspper69 5y ago
  Apple is a corporation not bound to normal individual timescales. Right now they are conditioning everyone to accept the app store model universally. If you are under a certain age, you don’t even know another concept exists unless your are tech savvy or in a tech field. These are dividends to be reaped at a later date. And the inability to secure software and hardware systems will be the ultimate justification. The great irony in all of our endeavors is that if you make all of your decisions in an effort to avoid becoming something, you just wind up taking the long way around and backing into being the thing you didn’t want to become in the first place. See Google:Evil, Apple:1984, Microsoft:The Borg, Larry Ellison:A Lawnmower And the list of individuals who became what they most despised is quite long as well.
lm2s 5y ago
If we look at it from a business perspective it looks a lot better to go the iOS on Mac direction. And we can see it happening. macOS is getting more iOS-like with each new iteration.
- tempoponet 5y ago
  People have been saying this for 10 years, since before Microsoft actually tried it and failed. I simply don't see it.

I sort of wonder if they are going in the opposite direction. iOS on Mac seems like where they headed.

arthurcolle 5y ago

Nightmare scenario

ethbr0 5y ago
Optimize for revenue. Minimize freedom.

deleted 5y ago

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jolux 5y ago

M1 Macs can already run iOS apps.

lostgame 5y ago
I’m not familiar with the way iOS apps are run on Big Sur natively. What happens when multi-touch with hand-eye coordination is required? My Mac runs a Nintendo DS emulator fine, but it sure is a bitch for a game like Scribblenauts, or any game requiring drawing precise shapes or letters - because the input was designed for a stylus, not a mouse or trackpad. Also; the distance between the input device (mouse) and the output appearing on a monitor in a different locations make playing a handful of DS games in an emulator an awful representation of the actual experience. While I get I can probably run Instagram or whatever, I’m just curious as to how they handle all these flaws with porting multi-touch heavy apps - a huge cornerstone of iOS devices. Just wondering how they handled that. :)
- Jcowell 5y ago
  It’s up to the Devs to determine if their iOS/iPadOS App is suitable to be offered on M1 Macs. Some (like the HBO Max) honestly shouldn’t be offered.

chipotle_coyote 5y ago

I wrote about why I think that's exceedingly unlikely back in April, knowing that there was a chance I'd be proven wrong just two months later (i.e., today). I wasn't. https://micro.coyotetracks.org/2021/04/21/the-mac-and.html https://micro.coyotetracks.org/2021/04/21/the-mac-and.html My argument from there is that Apple has been demonstrating a consistent philosophy since the start of the iPad: - Macs are general purpose computers - iPads/iPhones are application consoles, analogous to game consoles That philosophy doesn't preclude securing macOS in annoying ways, but it does preclude locking down macOS like iOS. The notion that Apple would force all Mac apps to be installed from the App Store because it would increase their revenue simply doesn't hold water, because, as I noted then, the Venn diagram of "users likely to walk over such a change" and "users likely to spend boggling amounts of money on Apple hardware" is close to a perfect circle. Even if that's only a few percent of those high-ticket users, that's literally millions of lost unit sales. Furthermore, I stand by my thoughts then that if Apple was ever going to try such a radical move, it would have been last year, with the introduction of Apple Silicon and the relatively radical redesign brought by macOS Big Sur. The flip side of this philosophy, though, is that we're probably not going to ever see iOS open the way macOS is any more than they must for technical, market, or regulatory reasons. My suspicion is that in the long run there's a new OS that will replace both macOS and iPadOS, and at that point, all bets may be off. But I don't think we're going to see that within the next few years.

caspper69 5y ago
Apple is a corporation not bound to normal individual timescales. Right now they are conditioning everyone to accept the app store model universally. If you are under a certain age, you don’t even know another concept exists unless your are tech savvy or in a tech field. These are dividends to be reaped at a later date. And the inability to secure software and hardware systems will be the ultimate justification. The great irony in all of our endeavors is that if you make all of your decisions in an effort to avoid becoming something, you just wind up taking the long way around and backing into being the thing you didn’t want to become in the first place. See Google:Evil, Apple:1984, Microsoft:The Borg, Larry Ellison:A Lawnmower And the list of individuals who became what they most despised is quite long as well.

lm2s 5y ago

If we look at it from a business perspective it looks a lot better to go the iOS on Mac direction. And we can see it happening. macOS is getting more iOS-like with each new iteration.

tempoponet 5y ago
People have been saying this for 10 years, since before Microsoft actually tried it and failed. I simply don't see it.