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Hey everyone, I want to apologize for the inappropriate use of power here. While I do believe there is an ethical line that was crossed here, I should have call
by amasad 5y ago
Hey everyone, I want to apologize for the inappropriate use of power here. While I do believe there is an ethical line that was crossed here, I should have called him to understand his point of view and work it out. Which is what I'll try to do now, and see if we can get his project back up again. I'm sorry Radon.
The lesson for me here is to internalize how I'm no longer the struggling kid from Jordan fighting for more than a decade to build something, and that I now have a responsibility towards our community and supporters to be kind and model better behavior. I'm sorry I let you down and I promise to do better in the future.
- chasebro 5y agoWait, so after all that your position is that the intern is still in the wrong?
- pmm98 5y agoOf course it is. The apology is intended for damage control to repl.it and his personal reputation, given he has had an hour to digest the winds of HN on both and is clearly concerned by what he sees. Dollars to donuts he remains baffled why such a defense of his reputation and that of his company is even necessary in the first place. You don’t even need to be as cynical as I am to get there. It’s that transparent. “I guess it’s just because of how I had to be as a struggling kid in Jordan” is the tell. He obviously has no idea why this feedback is happening if that’s his conclusion, so how can he apologize for any of it? He’s still retweeting sympathetic viewpoints on Twitter as we speak, so you can compute the honesty of this apology based on that fact alone. Read “do better” as “avoid generating compromising receipts wherein I twice trot out lawyers and my ability to pay for them like I’m dramatically unsheathing Anduril, while privately maintaining my view that I’m being ripped off at every turn because someone had the gall to use Docker to build a REPL and I consider that clearly genius architecture to be sensitive intellectual property.” His takeaway going forward is to threaten people in a smarter way, and I’d bet my next paycheck on that. Honestly, this whole saga is a hell of an invitation to compete against repl.it, in displaying such a severe decision-making and tactical weakness at the executive level.
- heavyset_go 5y agoIt's really quite amazing how tone deaf and transparent it is. This submission has resulted in some great content.
- horsemans 5y agoExplain the ethical line that was crossed.
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- Quarrelsome 5y agoI think the lesson should be not resorting to legal threats over a molehill. You've just needlessly shot yourself in the foot here.
- rshm 5y agoReading this thread alone would have saved you from mistake of doubling down.
- Wxc2jjJmST9XWWL 5y agoThe lesson here is to ask people for advice before writing public statements (for one), and before threatening with lawsuits in private communication. 1) You apologize, but basically the other person did something wrong? 2) You invoke sympathy for being a "struggling kid from Jordan fighting for more than a decade to build something" ; so what? So now you're the victim? Your reaction to all of this is comedy gold. Hire a PR person (who never would have signed off on your comment), do some management/communication courses and start being professional. You're running a business, and you don't look the part. Did anyone in your company screen your comment and say "this is a good response, post it"? I doubt it.
- macspoofing 5y ago>The lesson here is The lesson here is never apologize on the internet because that'll be thrown back in your face.
- Wxc2jjJmST9XWWL 5y agoI see what you mean and there's of course some truth to it. He's stuck in a corner and no matter what he does now, some will write if off as insincere. I don't doubt that. But besides honing communication skills and maybe tune back his ego some (for the future), do you really think the whole situation (including his apology) would not have been vastly improved by consulting with someone knowledgeable in PR? If you think his apology sounds sincere and is worded appropriately, or his Twitter activity since the fiasco, does (or has done) him any good, then I guess we disagree on this.
- marcinzm 5y agoNot really. Don't apologize unless you first Google "how to apologize" and are willing to mostly follow the advice you get. The problem is that to follow that advice you need to publicly accept that you were the bad guy unequivocally which many high ego people are not willing to do.
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- catillac 5y ago“ Hey everyone, I want to apologize for the inappropriate use of power here. While I do believe there is an ethical line that was crossed here, I should have called him to understand his point of view and work it out. Which is what I'll try to do now, and see if we can get his project back up again. I'm sorry Radon. The lesson for me here is to internalize how I'm no longer the struggling kid from Jordan fighting for more than a decade to build something, and that I now have a responsibility towards our community and supporters to be kind and model better behavior. I'm sorry I let you down and I promise to do better in the future.” Oh my, this is a classic poor response to this. Though you did apologize, which is good. You still are saying the intern is wrong, which isn’t good. This response may cause more issues than it solves.
- CheezeIt 5y ago> You still are saying the intern is wrong, which isn’t good. That’s a good thing. That’s what happens when you have integrity. There is no reason to change his position on the subject of ex-employees making clones of the product.
- catillac 5y ago> There is no reason to change his position on the subject of ex-employees making clones of the product. Obviously I completely agree with this in a vacuum, but you seem to imply that that is what happened in this case. It was pretty clear from all the emails posted, assuming they were materially unaltered, that this isn’t what happened here. So your comment seems like a bit of a non sequitur, unless you’re saying that is what happened here?
- philosopher1234 5y agoI appreciate your diplomacy, but from my POV, GP is definitely trying to suggest the intern's actions were equivalent to founding a competing company, and is interested in defending REPL.it's CEO.
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- oliverx0 5y agoThis apology reminds me of TripleByte's CEO first comments to the Hacker News thread from a few months ago, you are still placing blame on the blogger and do not show you are genuinely sorry for screwing up.
- griffinmb 5y agoBased on your retweet[1], you still seem to be publicly punching down. [1]: https://twitter.com/pnegahdar/status/1402018604233732098?s=21 https://twitter.com/pnegahdar/status/1402018604233732098?s=2...
- CheezeIt 5y agoThe guy made a whole blog post attacking him. You shouldn’t defend yourself?
- cbsks 5y agoNo? IMHO they should attempt to correct their mistake.
- griffinmb 5y agoGiven that he's now un-retweeted it, it looks like even amasad agreed it wasn't a good look.
- Igelau 5y agoSo is the conversation now split into a preunretweeted half and a postunretweeted half, or is it a retrounretweeting where we act like it never happened?
- marcinzm 5y agoI've seen multiple tweets from you the last day regarding this where you definitely showed no regret and simply kept trying to prove you were in the right. Even this response tries to make people feel bad for you and divert empathy away from the person you attacked. And also implies the only reason you are relenting is because it's making the company you represent look bad. So apologies are good but this seems the weakest sort of apology possible.
- aparsons 5y agoHe deletes tweets that don’t fit his narrative (that he’s a genius building a product nobody else is capable of building) on the regular, so don’t be surprised if those tweets magically never existed by morning
- localcrisis 5y agoHis reply is after hours upon hours of getting torn apart for doubling, tripling, twenty-times-ing down on his power trip. And he still believes that some ethical line was crossed.
- equilibrium 5y agoWhen in a deadlock play the victim card. What an insincere apology.
- vincentmarle 5y agoIs this the best apology that $20M will buy you?
- aetch 5y agoNo one cares about your "origin story" of spending a decade to create a web shell that isn't very novel.
- xenihn 5y agoWhat is the ethical line that was crossed? There is no basis for this unless you think that Radon intends to monetize, and then become a direct competitor.
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- _ozde 5y agoI don't find this apology sincere. Especially when you say that you inappropriately use your power. Would that mean that you will still use your power inorder to shutdown Radon's open-source project that he developed just for fun?
- ping_pong 5y agoThere was no ethical lines crossed. If you have proof that he copied code from your repo then that is illegal. But if he copied the idea, there's nothing ethically wrong with that. The one who crossed an ethical line is you. You can't protect ideas, only actual code. What is ethically wrong is bullying a former intern with legal threats. You need to learn this, I guess the hard way.
- Me1000 5y agoNot just legal threats, the whole line about being “the most demanding intern we’ve ever had” was an ad hominem attack that was completely out of line. It was cruel, mean, unnecessary, and unprofessional.
- chandra381 5y agoYeah what was up with that?
- jonny_eh 5y agoIt was a tell about this guy's personality.
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- atoav 5y agoWell even if they was "demanding" behaviour (whatever that even means), there would be no real way for the outside to check if it was true, without relying on the statements of persons involved. This is why such a statement should have been avoided altogether, especially if the other side seemes to be cooperating.
- TeMPOraL 5y agoAs much unnecessary such statement was, I could understand it if it was a) true, and b) stood alone in the correspondence. But apparently, he said it just after offering the guy a job (in a way that I read as implying he'd offer him a role of a senior engineer or a manager).
- 0x5f3759df-i 5y agoThe only ethical line being crossed here is your threat of ruining this kid with legal fees if you don't get your way.
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- snaek96 5y agoWhen your investors threaten to pull funding.
- bluepnume 5y ago> Hey everyone, I want to apologize for the inappropriate use of power here. I should have called him to understand his point of view and work it out. Which is what I'll try to do now, and see if we can get his project back up again. I'm sorry Radon. > The lesson for me here is that I now have a responsibility towards our community and supporters to be kind and model better behavior. I'm sorry I let you down and I promise to do better in the future. Fixed it for ya!
- hnarayanan 5y agoThis!
- Igelau 5y agoIMHO it's better if we convert it to the strongest form of the argument: > The lesson for me here is to internalize that even though I'm just an unfrozen caveman lawyer, I still have a responsibility towards our community and supporters to be kind and model better behavior. I'm sorry I let you down and I promise to do better in the future.
- scambier 5y agoHow nice of you to give Radon "permission" to publish his site. You're so generous.
- llaolleh 5y agoI believe in your apology, and thank you for trying to make things right. Everyone makes mistakes. What's done is done. We can only learn from it. It's easy to become emotional and protective of a project you've poured blood and tears into, which probably kept you up at nights, amidst all the FUD. At the end of the day, the world is better with Replit than without it. A world where any kid can learn to program with a dirt cheap device anywhere in the world without dealing with dependency hell is worth fighting for. A lot of young kids and future builders and innovators look up to you! Please remember to be humble and kind as Replit, snd you, gather more influence.
- achileas 5y agolol they shouldn’t
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- joshxyz 5y ago> I'm no longer the struggling kid from Jordan fighting for more than a decade to build something Lmao amasad, this shit is priceless. LOL
- Igelau 5y agoThis is the "never using r-pl-t again" nail for me. I never understood what people meant in online arguments when they accuse others of centering themselves. Now I get it.
- 10x-dev 5y agoNow that you got some money, you're showing your real self, and it's not pretty. What did this kid steal from you, by the way? I remember when repl.it was a black shell that evaluated Java expressions. It was quicker to Google your page and type some Java one liners, than to create a main.java file and use javac. Once you added that ugly online code editor, it was all downhill. Now it's some kind of online coding platform. Gone are the days of that quick and useful repl. That said, I think behind the 20MM and the shiny designer buttons, the core tech boils down to that same little black shell, which must be why you felt so threatened by a junior dev with too much time on their hands. And if we are being honest here, 20MM from investors is not that much. I routinely see investments of 500M or more in various startups, so sit down and focus on your core product, before another intern decides to run compilers in a docker instance. You let investors get into the head of that kid from Jordan long enough to become the litigious villain. For shame.
- politelemon 5y agoYour (non)apology is insincere and it is quite obvious that you don't really mean it. Looking at the latest communications with the intern[1], you are 'giving him permission' which isn't yours to give. And further, you have quoted them out of context. Neither of these actions indicate that you are in any way remorseful, nor do you see what you are doing wrong. You haven't let _us_ down, you are only harming yourself and your company. I believe what you need is some self reflection, and a PR agent who can handle these situations for you with bland neutral language. Without these you will never do better in the future. [1] https://intuitiveexplanations.com/assets/replit-email-9.png https://intuitiveexplanations.com/assets/replit-email-9.png
- NoobPretender 5y agoYou're apologetic now only after this thing blew up on the internet. Mister hyper-inflated ego CEO wouldn't have thought twice about apologising if your ex-intern wouldn't have made the issue public. Get bent, mate and try selling your bullshit somewhere else. Should've used those "big money" to buy humility classes, not "top laywers" to threaten ex-interns.
- NoobPretender 5y agoYou're apologetic now only after this thing blew up on the internet. Mister hyper-inflated ego CEO wouldn't have thought twice about apologising if your ex-intern wouldn't have made the issue public. Get bent, mate and try selling your bullshit somewhere else. Use that "lot of money" to get top PR instead of "top lawyers", and maybe some "getting head out of ass" classes, cause humility and decency is something clearly you won't be able to learn.
- Ontol 5y agoIntresting fact from 2011: "Second, we’re also excited to announce one of the first (of many!) projects that Amjad has worked on with us: Codecademy Labs, the easiest way to play with JavaScript, Ruby, and Python online." (http://www.codecademy.com/resources/blog/amjad-joins-codecademy/ http://www.codecademy.com/resources/blog/amjad-joins-codecad...) Hmmm...
- ollerac 5y agoWow, beautiful find. This should be upvoted more! The hypocrisy is rich.
- fastasucan 5y agoEven though you still were a struggling kid from Jordan that doesn't call for you doing a personal attack on an intern, and treathening with lawyers.
- harrisreynolds 5y agoAmjad - It took courage to reverse course here and I respect you for doing that. Replit will be fine... think of the level of effort it takes to create a truly great product and all of the polish your platform already has. The key for you is to just stay focused on innovating and serving your customers! All the best! --harris
- lewich 5y agoProbably he is just afraid of "cancel culture" and consequences. Otherwise would not apologize.