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"most of the people who do have $2k to spare don’t live in places with unreliable electricity" Increasing the mix of renewables in the electricity networks wil

by alvah 5y ago

"most of the people who do have $2k to spare don’t live in places with unreliable electricity" Increasing the mix of renewables in the electricity networks will mean most people live in places with unreliable electricity going forward. The proposed $2k 30kWh home battery backup could well be the adaptation many of us have to make.

ClumsyPilot 5y ago
um, no, we are not going to have unreliable electricity because people's lives depends on it. We will have grid scale batteries, and the grid will charge you more or less depending on when you are using energy. it does not make sence to have such essential equipment randomly distributed through the population where I have to fight my landlord to repair the damn thing or have it not cause a house fire, while the guy is out of the country on holiday and couldn't give a rat's ass
- alvah 5y ago
  um, yes, it's happening already in areas where intermittent supplies make up a sufficient percentage of the energy mix (e.g. South Australia). In an ideal world we'd keep the rollout of intermittent sources below the level at which they cause instability until grid scale batteries are invented, however that's not the world we live in.
  - jrek 5y ago
    My understanding is that neither of the major outages in SA in recent times have been related to intermittent supply issues (i.e. the first major incident was related to trips caused by weather, the second was related to a gas using supplier failing to increase supply due to some market regulation minutiae that was subsequently changed).
    - alvah 5y ago
      Regardless of the realities in SA (I’m not convinced by the offical explanation of the first outage at least, there are credible alternative theories), it’s well understood that beyond a certain level, introducing intermittent suppliers into a network designed for baseload generation will cause instability. I don’t have the figures to hand but IIRC more than very low double figures as a percentage starts causing trouble.
- dzhiurgis 5y ago
  It does make sense to invest, but also makes sense to build these things at scale. Having a team of people micromanage your roof and electrical system already costs nearly same as equipment.

by alvah 5y ago

ClumsyPilot 5y ago

um, no, we are not going to have unreliable electricity because people's lives depends on it. We will have grid scale batteries, and the grid will charge you more or less depending on when you are using energy. it does not make sence to have such essential equipment randomly distributed through the population where I have to fight my landlord to repair the damn thing or have it not cause a house fire, while the guy is out of the country on holiday and couldn't give a rat's ass

alvah 5y ago
um, yes, it's happening already in areas where intermittent supplies make up a sufficient percentage of the energy mix (e.g. South Australia). In an ideal world we'd keep the rollout of intermittent sources below the level at which they cause instability until grid scale batteries are invented, however that's not the world we live in.
- jrek 5y ago
  My understanding is that neither of the major outages in SA in recent times have been related to intermittent supply issues (i.e. the first major incident was related to trips caused by weather, the second was related to a gas using supplier failing to increase supply due to some market regulation minutiae that was subsequently changed).
  - alvah 5y ago
    Regardless of the realities in SA (I’m not convinced by the offical explanation of the first outage at least, there are credible alternative theories), it’s well understood that beyond a certain level, introducing intermittent suppliers into a network designed for baseload generation will cause instability. I don’t have the figures to hand but IIRC more than very low double figures as a percentage starts causing trouble.
dzhiurgis 5y ago
It does make sense to invest, but also makes sense to build these things at scale. Having a team of people micromanage your roof and electrical system already costs nearly same as equipment.