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This is getting stupid. Newest iPad Pros with M1 obviously have the capability to do so much more, yet the OS holds it back. Are Federighi and Temus still on sp

This is getting stupid. Newest iPad Pros with M1 obviously have the capability to do so much more, yet the OS holds it back. Are Federighi and Temus still on speaking terms? Instead of proper multitasking, virtualization and external monitor support, we just gain new and iPad-only gestures to learn and memorize. The iPads, especially iPad Pros, have become an increasingly complicated method of computing. I thought their emphasis was on making computing more accessible/approachable to everyone.

zepto 5y ago
> Newest iPad Pros with M1 obviously have the capability to do so much more, yet the OS holds it back. Holds it back from what? > Instead of proper multitasking, virtualization and external monitor support, Why not use a laptop if you want these? > we just gain new and iPad-only gestures to learn and memorize. That’s the opposite of what they just announced. The new features can be accessed through visual UI elements which addresses people’s chief complaint about iOS multitasking. > The iPads, especially iPad Pros, have become an increasingly complicated method of computing. Less complicated than if they just added all the features of a desktop computer.
- mmebane 5y ago
  > Holds it back from what? Being a full-fledged computer. > Why not use a laptop if you want these? What if I want a tablet I can dock and turn into a laptop or workstation? The M1 iPad Pro would be a perfect competitor to the likes of the Surface Pro, if the OS weren't holding it back.
  - noja 5y ago
    I don't get it: Apple are not selling the iPad as that.
  - rmah 5y ago
    The iPad will NEVER be a full-fledged computer. Never ever. By design. The same way Apple will never make a phone or watch that is a full-fledged computer. In their view it is not what padds are. Full stop. Personally, I like it this way. I can understand why some others would not. For them, there are other vendors making pads that fulfill their needs.
    - cronix 5y ago
      Can it at least do basic every day tasks that most people would not get frustrated as hell trying to use? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dWhwAhpZGs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dWhwAhpZGs
    - jeromenerf 5y ago
      > Never ever. Design and business are not absolute truth.
- halfmatthalfcat 5y ago
  I wanna run Intellij on my iPad Pro. Is that too much to ask really?
  - zepto 5y ago
    Yes - the whole point of the iPad is not to just drag along all the legacy software as is, but to build a new platform.
- eigenspace 5y ago
  I get that I'm a rather niche user, but I'm a physicist who makes heavy use of an iPad Pro for handwritten notes. When I'm not at my desktop computer, I don't see why I shouldn't be able to write an run code on my iPad. For instance, Wolfram already has a working Mathematica kernel on iPadOS and iOS, but because of Apple's rigid restrictions on running code on i-devices, they've only publicly released their CDF player and Wolfram Cloud apps, rather than a full on version of Mathematica. There's no reason for this other than Apple's restrictions. Because of Apple's restrictions on this, I own both a Macbook Pro and an iPad but this feels artificial and unnecessary. As time goes on, I'm feeling more and more alienated by Apple and likely once my current devices reach the end of their lives, they'll be replaced by something from outside of Apple's ecosystem.
  - jclardy 5y ago
    This is exactly the problem. The app store being the only distribution method for iPad OS means that Apple controls everything that is possible on iPad OS. The problem is iPadOS drastically fails at simple tasks all the time - I wanted to print a shipping label the other day that I got in an email - sounds simple? Not on iPad! Tap print, see the AirPrint printer, tap print, and I get a 100% fill UPS label. I could download an app like Pages, drop in the image, setup the formatting then print. But it was literally easier to just open my mac, change one option and press print. It looks like iOS 15 finally adds print options, but how could this have taken 15 years to have printer options… I really love using my iPad for whatever I can. But the random missing features and “iPad simplicity” frustrations are incredibly annoying.
  - threeseed 5y ago
    And Apple's restrictions on code execution are there for a reason. Without it the entire App Store review model falls apart as anyone could submit an app that does X and then in reality does Y. And due to the way Objective-C works there are no static analysis tools that can work upfront to fix this. So they have a choice between losing customers like you and keeping the many more who prefer the way the iOS app ecosystem works.
    - eigenspace 5y ago
- harperlee 5y ago
  Now that the inner hardware is basically the same as with the macbook air, and only form factor and OS differ, it seems logical to ask whether we could have the common inner hardware with an ipad form factor and macos capabilities. I want to program in clojure and use the pencil with procreate, while travelling. I’d love that to be a reality.
Zenst 5y ago
Be nice if they offered some fancy laptop like keyboard you could dock this into and it could boot into MacOS and then those who have the M1 Laptop who lament it has no touch screen would be happy and those who want best of both worlds, would get that.
chemmail 5y ago
Its so they can give MS a bone with the 2in1s since there is no other choice. Them being Stalking Horse and all.

zepto 5y ago

> Newest iPad Pros with M1 obviously have the capability to do so much more, yet the OS holds it back. Holds it back from what? > Instead of proper multitasking, virtualization and external monitor support, Why not use a laptop if you want these? > we just gain new and iPad-only gestures to learn and memorize. That’s the opposite of what they just announced. The new features can be accessed through visual UI elements which addresses people’s chief complaint about iOS multitasking. > The iPads, especially iPad Pros, have become an increasingly complicated method of computing. Less complicated than if they just added all the features of a desktop computer.

mmebane 5y ago
> Holds it back from what? Being a full-fledged computer. > Why not use a laptop if you want these? What if I want a tablet I can dock and turn into a laptop or workstation? The M1 iPad Pro would be a perfect competitor to the likes of the Surface Pro, if the OS weren't holding it back.
- noja 5y ago
  I don't get it: Apple are not selling the iPad as that.
- rmah 5y ago
  The iPad will NEVER be a full-fledged computer. Never ever. By design. The same way Apple will never make a phone or watch that is a full-fledged computer. In their view it is not what padds are. Full stop. Personally, I like it this way. I can understand why some others would not. For them, there are other vendors making pads that fulfill their needs.
  - cronix 5y ago
    Can it at least do basic every day tasks that most people would not get frustrated as hell trying to use? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dWhwAhpZGs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dWhwAhpZGs
  - jeromenerf 5y ago
    > Never ever. Design and business are not absolute truth.
halfmatthalfcat 5y ago
I wanna run Intellij on my iPad Pro. Is that too much to ask really?
- zepto 5y ago
  Yes - the whole point of the iPad is not to just drag along all the legacy software as is, but to build a new platform.
eigenspace 5y ago
I get that I'm a rather niche user, but I'm a physicist who makes heavy use of an iPad Pro for handwritten notes. When I'm not at my desktop computer, I don't see why I shouldn't be able to write an run code on my iPad. For instance, Wolfram already has a working Mathematica kernel on iPadOS and iOS, but because of Apple's rigid restrictions on running code on i-devices, they've only publicly released their CDF player and Wolfram Cloud apps, rather than a full on version of Mathematica. There's no reason for this other than Apple's restrictions. Because of Apple's restrictions on this, I own both a Macbook Pro and an iPad but this feels artificial and unnecessary. As time goes on, I'm feeling more and more alienated by Apple and likely once my current devices reach the end of their lives, they'll be replaced by something from outside of Apple's ecosystem.
- jclardy 5y ago
  This is exactly the problem. The app store being the only distribution method for iPad OS means that Apple controls everything that is possible on iPad OS. The problem is iPadOS drastically fails at simple tasks all the time - I wanted to print a shipping label the other day that I got in an email - sounds simple? Not on iPad! Tap print, see the AirPrint printer, tap print, and I get a 100% fill UPS label. I could download an app like Pages, drop in the image, setup the formatting then print. But it was literally easier to just open my mac, change one option and press print. It looks like iOS 15 finally adds print options, but how could this have taken 15 years to have printer options… I really love using my iPad for whatever I can. But the random missing features and “iPad simplicity” frustrations are incredibly annoying.
- threeseed 5y ago
  And Apple's restrictions on code execution are there for a reason. Without it the entire App Store review model falls apart as anyone could submit an app that does X and then in reality does Y. And due to the way Objective-C works there are no static analysis tools that can work upfront to fix this. So they have a choice between losing customers like you and keeping the many more who prefer the way the iOS app ecosystem works.
  - eigenspace 5y ago
harperlee 5y ago
Now that the inner hardware is basically the same as with the macbook air, and only form factor and OS differ, it seems logical to ask whether we could have the common inner hardware with an ipad form factor and macos capabilities. I want to program in clojure and use the pencil with procreate, while travelling. I’d love that to be a reality.

Zenst 5y ago

Be nice if they offered some fancy laptop like keyboard you could dock this into and it could boot into MacOS and then those who have the M1 Laptop who lament it has no touch screen would be happy and those who want best of both worlds, would get that.

chemmail 5y ago

Its so they can give MS a bone with the 2in1s since there is no other choice. Them being Stalking Horse and all.