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> $2000 on an Apple gift card I wanted to spend on a top spec M1 iPad Pro to watch TV shows at home and take with me on travels if I need to debug issues in pro

> $2000 on an Apple gift card I wanted to spend on a top spec M1 iPad Pro to watch TV shows at home and take with me on travels if I need to debug issues in production or come up with a quick fix You want to spend $2000 to watch TV at home not on a TV? How would both of these desires not be significantly better satisfied by an M1 Air? > A laptop is too much Too much what? The Air costs _less_ than the 13" iPad Pro.

1_player 5y ago
> A laptop is too much I don't mean price. I mean I don't need a keyboard. A tablet is the perfect form factor for consuming media 99% of the time, and a whole laptop I'd use for 1% of the time ain't worth the money. I need a mobile device I can attach to a keyboard and do "Pro" work 5 hours a month, is that much to ask?
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- fossuser 5y ago
  > "I need a mobile device I can attach to a keyboard and do "Pro" work 5 hours a month, is that much to ask?" I think it's a bit of a niche use case when that pro work is software development. They can't please everyone - the design is targeted for consumption and art with some rethinking about UI for a tablet device around basic usage that's distinct from a standard laptop OS. I'd guess for 98% of users that's what they've built and their keyboard attachment allows many of them to do their work like tasks (writing/email and such). For devs they make laptops and macOS designed for that.
  - rowanG077 5y ago
    That's the entire point. You can please everyone. Just allow other OS options on the Ipad pro.
    - fossuser 5y ago
      The culture that would do that without recognizing why it's not as simple as 'just allowing' something is what leads to every tablet except the iPad sucking. They want the quality bar to be high - they make different products for different purposes.
      - rowanG077 5y ago
        Ipad is one of the sucky tablets. The only tablets worth anything are the windows tablets like the Surface Pros or the thinkpads. Besides I don't see how allowing an option to install any OS you want brings down the quality of a product. If you don't want it because you feel it's low quality. Ok that's fine. Just use iOS.
        salamandersauce 5y ago
        Except the windows tablets suck as tablets. The touch ecosystem is barren because a lot of services just expect you'll use the website or the desktop app.
        rowanG077 5y ago
        I disagree. There indeed are a lot of programs which are not touch optimized. But if that's not a fair comparison since you can't do those things on an ipad at all. If you restrict the functionality of the windows tablet to the very small subset of ipad activities then the windows tablet does not fare badly.
        salamandersauce 5y ago
        Yes it is. It's not just stuff like Visual Studio or Adobe Illustrator lacking touch optimized programs that aren't available on iPad, it's lacking key basics like Kindle, Comixology, Disney+, etc. They either expect you to use the website or the desktop app which isn't as good an experience as an iPad or Android tablet when only using your fingers.

1_player 5y ago

> A laptop is too much I don't mean price. I mean I don't need a keyboard. A tablet is the perfect form factor for consuming media 99% of the time, and a whole laptop I'd use for 1% of the time ain't worth the money. I need a mobile device I can attach to a keyboard and do "Pro" work 5 hours a month, is that much to ask?

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fossuser 5y ago
> "I need a mobile device I can attach to a keyboard and do "Pro" work 5 hours a month, is that much to ask?" I think it's a bit of a niche use case when that pro work is software development. They can't please everyone - the design is targeted for consumption and art with some rethinking about UI for a tablet device around basic usage that's distinct from a standard laptop OS. I'd guess for 98% of users that's what they've built and their keyboard attachment allows many of them to do their work like tasks (writing/email and such). For devs they make laptops and macOS designed for that.
- rowanG077 5y ago
  That's the entire point. You can please everyone. Just allow other OS options on the Ipad pro.
  - fossuser 5y ago
    The culture that would do that without recognizing why it's not as simple as 'just allowing' something is what leads to every tablet except the iPad sucking. They want the quality bar to be high - they make different products for different purposes.
    - rowanG077 5y ago
      Ipad is one of the sucky tablets. The only tablets worth anything are the windows tablets like the Surface Pros or the thinkpads. Besides I don't see how allowing an option to install any OS you want brings down the quality of a product. If you don't want it because you feel it's low quality. Ok that's fine. Just use iOS.
      - salamandersauce 5y ago
        Except the windows tablets suck as tablets. The touch ecosystem is barren because a lot of services just expect you'll use the website or the desktop app.
        rowanG077 5y ago
        I disagree. There indeed are a lot of programs which are not touch optimized. But if that's not a fair comparison since you can't do those things on an ipad at all. If you restrict the functionality of the windows tablet to the very small subset of ipad activities then the windows tablet does not fare badly.
        salamandersauce 5y ago
        Yes it is. It's not just stuff like Visual Studio or Adobe Illustrator lacking touch optimized programs that aren't available on iPad, it's lacking key basics like Kindle, Comixology, Disney+, etc. They either expect you to use the website or the desktop app which isn't as good an experience as an iPad or Android tablet when only using your fingers.