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Wait, really? I'm a millennial, not gen-z, but I feel like Nazi/WWII jokes were way more popular in the 90's and early 2000's than they are now. For example, i

Wait, really? I'm a millennial, not gen-z, but I feel like Nazi/WWII jokes were way more popular in the 90's and early 2000's than they are now. For example, in Seinfeld, they had a character called the "soup Nazi", a character that was extremely asshole-ey about who he gave soup to. This was not a controversial episode or anything, and became one of the most quoted episodes of the series. Nowadays I'm not sure if that would be considered "ok." I feel like the rise of domestic terror, white nationalism, and fascism is scary, but seems to a) by mostly composed of millenials my age and older, and b) a lot more complicated than some edgelord humor. That said, despite the fact that I love edgey subversive humor, I agree that trivializing things as "just jokes" isn't a good thing; if it means fewer memes, I can live with that.

kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
There is a long history of lampooning nazis for comedic effect, very often performed by Jewish comedians. Hogan's Heroes is a sitcom about POWs sticking it to the foolish krauts. The concept would never fly today but it was standard fare for post war comedy. The children who grew up with that culture continued using it into the 90's.
- tombert 5y ago
  > The concept would never fly today I mean I don't know if I would go that far; things like Hipster Hitler got a fair amount of traction, at least for a bit [0]. Hardly indicative of the entirety of human culture, and obviously it's not a major network sitcom like Hogan's Heroes (or Seinfeld). Also, a staple of the Call of Duty franchise is a tongue-and-cheek mode of running around killing zombie Nazis, isn't it? (I admittedly haven't played it), and it's not like "Iron Sky"[1] was meant to be taken super seriously. I think it's unnecessarily reductive to say "one generation is ok with subject X and another generation isn't." I don't think humans really form big, homogeneous groups completely based around the year they were born. [0] http://www.hipsterhitler.com/ http://www.hipsterhitler.com/ [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Sky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Sky
- Garvey 5y ago
  JoJo Rabbit?
rendall 5y ago
Anglophone millennials have a reputation for being humorless, self-righteous and fragile. Hopefully, this is untrue.
- tombert 5y ago
  I think it's kind of silly to act like groups of people separated by year really has any meaning for most things. I (an Anglophone millenial) tend to enjoy really edgy subversive comedy, as do most of my friends of the same age. My grandmother (a bit too old to be a boomer) will get upset if I say any word that could be considered vulgar.
  - rendall 5y ago
    > I (an Anglophone millenial)... No need to tell us this, tbh. Your easy reference to "the rise of domestic terror, white nationalism, and fascism" to rationalize shutting down humor already marked you as a millennial, my dude, your claims to enjoy edgy humor notwithstanding. Humor has unsettled fragile, self-righteous authoritarians throughout history, including but sadly by no means limited to, fascists. Attempts to shut it down are always concerning. They will never say "we want to stamp our boot on the face of humanity" as the reason for shutting down humor. It will always be a plausible reason: "we are at war" or "some things are too serious to joke about" or "vulnerable people need our protection" Embrace your love of edgy humor. It's how people deal healthily with their anxieties and concerns.
    - tombert 5y ago
      So, I guess you didn't really read my other posts in this thread; getting upset about certain jokes is hardly unique to millennials, and it's pretty silly to act like it is. I realize I didn't make it as clear as I'd like (and that's my fault), but I wasn't suggesting "shutting down" humor. What I was trying to say (unsuccessfully) was that we should potentially be less tolerant of certain humor en masse via social pressures. I'm really not in favor of having a government entity disallowing humor. For example, throughout the 90's and early 2000's, it used to be somewhat tolerated to use gay stereotypes to make fun of gay people. Eventually we realized (for the most part) that these stereotypes might be harmful, and for the most part have stopped making these kinds of gay jokes. It wasn't like the government stepped in and said "it's illegal to make fun of gay people", we just socially moved on from that.
bawolff 5y ago
Wait what? Why would making nazis the but of a joke not fly today?
- Applejinx 5y ago
  Among other things, they would object.
  - bawolff 5y ago
    Pretty sure nobody gives a shit what the nazis think.
- rendall 5y ago
  Ostensibly, some topics are off the table because it would upset vulnerable people and we cannot have that. The real reason is that authoritarianism is on the rise on both the left and the right, and shutting down humor is one method to assert control.
  - shard 5y ago
    "Iron Sky: The Coming Race" was released only 2 years ago. Have things changed that much since then? https://www.cinecity.nl/sites/default/files/images/movies/3562/IronSkyTheComingRace_132025775777318167_big.jpg https://www.cinecity.nl/sites/default/files/images/movies/35...
    - rendall 5y ago
      Disclaimer: It could legitimately be argued that these folks were canceled for lack of funny, or for anti-Semitism, and not their Nazi jokes, per se. But canceled for Nazi jokes: https://www.queerty.com/sharon-needles-banned-from-performing-at-life-ball-after-making-nazi-joke-20130528 https://www.queerty.com/sharon-needles-banned-from-performin... https://www.vulture.com/2017/03/samantha-bee-apologizes-to-cancer-patient-for-nazi-joke.html https://www.vulture.com/2017/03/samantha-bee-apologizes-to-c... https://www.thewrap.com/last-man-standing-canceled-tim-allen-nazi-germany-joke/ https://www.thewrap.com/last-man-standing-canceled-tim-allen... https://forward.com/fast-forward/424615/comedian-isaac-butterfield-nazi-joke-anti-semitic/ https://forward.com/fast-forward/424615/comedian-isaac-butte...

kevin_thibedeau 5y ago

There is a long history of lampooning nazis for comedic effect, very often performed by Jewish comedians. Hogan's Heroes is a sitcom about POWs sticking it to the foolish krauts. The concept would never fly today but it was standard fare for post war comedy. The children who grew up with that culture continued using it into the 90's.

tombert 5y ago
> The concept would never fly today I mean I don't know if I would go that far; things like Hipster Hitler got a fair amount of traction, at least for a bit [0]. Hardly indicative of the entirety of human culture, and obviously it's not a major network sitcom like Hogan's Heroes (or Seinfeld). Also, a staple of the Call of Duty franchise is a tongue-and-cheek mode of running around killing zombie Nazis, isn't it? (I admittedly haven't played it), and it's not like "Iron Sky"[1] was meant to be taken super seriously. I think it's unnecessarily reductive to say "one generation is ok with subject X and another generation isn't." I don't think humans really form big, homogeneous groups completely based around the year they were born. [0] http://www.hipsterhitler.com/ http://www.hipsterhitler.com/ [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Sky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Sky
Garvey 5y ago
JoJo Rabbit?

rendall 5y ago

Anglophone millennials have a reputation for being humorless, self-righteous and fragile. Hopefully, this is untrue.

tombert 5y ago
I think it's kind of silly to act like groups of people separated by year really has any meaning for most things. I (an Anglophone millenial) tend to enjoy really edgy subversive comedy, as do most of my friends of the same age. My grandmother (a bit too old to be a boomer) will get upset if I say any word that could be considered vulgar.
- rendall 5y ago
  > I (an Anglophone millenial)... No need to tell us this, tbh. Your easy reference to "the rise of domestic terror, white nationalism, and fascism" to rationalize shutting down humor already marked you as a millennial, my dude, your claims to enjoy edgy humor notwithstanding. Humor has unsettled fragile, self-righteous authoritarians throughout history, including but sadly by no means limited to, fascists. Attempts to shut it down are always concerning. They will never say "we want to stamp our boot on the face of humanity" as the reason for shutting down humor. It will always be a plausible reason: "we are at war" or "some things are too serious to joke about" or "vulnerable people need our protection" Embrace your love of edgy humor. It's how people deal healthily with their anxieties and concerns.
  - tombert 5y ago
    So, I guess you didn't really read my other posts in this thread; getting upset about certain jokes is hardly unique to millennials, and it's pretty silly to act like it is. I realize I didn't make it as clear as I'd like (and that's my fault), but I wasn't suggesting "shutting down" humor. What I was trying to say (unsuccessfully) was that we should potentially be less tolerant of certain humor en masse via social pressures. I'm really not in favor of having a government entity disallowing humor. For example, throughout the 90's and early 2000's, it used to be somewhat tolerated to use gay stereotypes to make fun of gay people. Eventually we realized (for the most part) that these stereotypes might be harmful, and for the most part have stopped making these kinds of gay jokes. It wasn't like the government stepped in and said "it's illegal to make fun of gay people", we just socially moved on from that.

bawolff 5y ago

Wait what? Why would making nazis the but of a joke not fly today?

Applejinx 5y ago
Among other things, they would object.
- bawolff 5y ago
  Pretty sure nobody gives a shit what the nazis think.
rendall 5y ago
Ostensibly, some topics are off the table because it would upset vulnerable people and we cannot have that. The real reason is that authoritarianism is on the rise on both the left and the right, and shutting down humor is one method to assert control.
- shard 5y ago
  "Iron Sky: The Coming Race" was released only 2 years ago. Have things changed that much since then? https://www.cinecity.nl/sites/default/files/images/movies/3562/IronSkyTheComingRace_132025775777318167_big.jpg https://www.cinecity.nl/sites/default/files/images/movies/35...
  - rendall 5y ago
    Disclaimer: It could legitimately be argued that these folks were canceled for lack of funny, or for anti-Semitism, and not their Nazi jokes, per se. But canceled for Nazi jokes: https://www.queerty.com/sharon-needles-banned-from-performing-at-life-ball-after-making-nazi-joke-20130528 https://www.queerty.com/sharon-needles-banned-from-performin... https://www.vulture.com/2017/03/samantha-bee-apologizes-to-cancer-patient-for-nazi-joke.html https://www.vulture.com/2017/03/samantha-bee-apologizes-to-c... https://www.thewrap.com/last-man-standing-canceled-tim-allen-nazi-germany-joke/ https://www.thewrap.com/last-man-standing-canceled-tim-allen... https://forward.com/fast-forward/424615/comedian-isaac-butterfield-nazi-joke-anti-semitic/ https://forward.com/fast-forward/424615/comedian-isaac-butte...