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It's more than that. The ACLU has actively come out AGAINST due process rights for accused in Title IX cases on colleges. They have come out AGAINST various o

It's more than that. The ACLU has actively come out AGAINST due process rights for accused in Title IX cases on colleges. They have come out AGAINST various other free speech that "negatively impacts" folks whose voices are less strong. Not against any of this, but this was traditionally more in the social justice advocacy group world vs ACLU world. Actions speak louder than words. I think they are going to carry the free speech brand, but are moving into that speech is violence so I can respond with violence world.

MisterBastahrd 5y ago
They the American Civil Liberties Union, not the American Free Speech Absolutists. In the above case, the TRO is due to an org suing for identifying information regarding gender identity in jails. Given their track record, it's likely that they're suing so that individuals are not getting identified without their consent.
- barney54 5y ago
  The first amendment is pretty absolute: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”
  - anigbrowl 5y ago
    The first amendment is a restraint on government, not everyone else. Many 'free speech absolutists' seem to argue for a more expansive scope.
  - MisterBastahrd 5y ago
    Freedom of speech isn't freedom to acquire private information.
throwaway894345 5y ago
> They have come out AGAINST various other free speech that "negatively impacts" folks whose voices are less strong. I'm not sure what speech you're driving at specifically, but I want to make sure we're distinguishing between "voices of minority communities" (ignoring for the moment that racial/ethnic communities aren't homogeneous blocks) and "progressive voices that purport to speak on behalf of minority communities". In the latter case, we often find that the progressive caricature of minorities differs a lot from reality--e.g., the narrative that the black community wants to abolish/defund the police, an opinion which only represents something like 20-30% of the black community. To be clear, I don't think you're necessarily conflating anything, but this is a common point of misunderstanding and I want to make sure we clarify up front to avoid predictable misunderstandings.
- slownews45 5y ago
  Good point - I don't know where exactly they are coming from. They are all in on defunding police "ACLU’s executive director says defunding police budgets will be his ‘North Star’ going forward" https://www.fastcompany.com/90512811/alcus-executive-director-says-defunding-police-budgets-will-be-his-north-star-going-forward https://www.fastcompany.com/90512811/alcus-executive-directo...

MisterBastahrd 5y ago

They the American Civil Liberties Union, not the American Free Speech Absolutists. In the above case, the TRO is due to an org suing for identifying information regarding gender identity in jails. Given their track record, it's likely that they're suing so that individuals are not getting identified without their consent.

barney54 5y ago
The first amendment is pretty absolute: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”
- anigbrowl 5y ago
  The first amendment is a restraint on government, not everyone else. Many 'free speech absolutists' seem to argue for a more expansive scope.
- MisterBastahrd 5y ago
  Freedom of speech isn't freedom to acquire private information.

throwaway894345 5y ago

> They have come out AGAINST various other free speech that "negatively impacts" folks whose voices are less strong. I'm not sure what speech you're driving at specifically, but I want to make sure we're distinguishing between "voices of minority communities" (ignoring for the moment that racial/ethnic communities aren't homogeneous blocks) and "progressive voices that purport to speak on behalf of minority communities". In the latter case, we often find that the progressive caricature of minorities differs a lot from reality--e.g., the narrative that the black community wants to abolish/defund the police, an opinion which only represents something like 20-30% of the black community. To be clear, I don't think you're necessarily conflating anything, but this is a common point of misunderstanding and I want to make sure we clarify up front to avoid predictable misunderstandings.

slownews45 5y ago
Good point - I don't know where exactly they are coming from. They are all in on defunding police "ACLU’s executive director says defunding police budgets will be his ‘North Star’ going forward" https://www.fastcompany.com/90512811/alcus-executive-director-says-defunding-police-budgets-will-be-his-north-star-going-forward https://www.fastcompany.com/90512811/alcus-executive-directo...