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> For the ThinkPad, it's a 5 minute task which many people can do themselves Which is still a step backwards. On my ThinkPad I can remove the battery in second

> For the ThinkPad, it's a 5 minute task which many people can do themselves Which is still a step backwards. On my ThinkPad I can remove the battery in seconds without looking. Mainly because sometimes I had to disconnect it to reset it completely. If that would take 5 minutes or any kind of tool that's already hard to justify imho. What do we gain from integrated batteries? Nothing that makes up for easy replacement or, in the case of ThinkPads, the option to upgrade the capacity before the purchase.

syshum 5y ago
a few generations ago ThinkPad when to a dual battery setup so unless your ThinkPad is pretty old I bet it has both an internal and removable battery. as to "What do we gain", they claim they can make them thinner and lighter, but the T14 seems to be the same Thinkness and a T450/T460 so.......
- midasuni 5y ago
  I had a second battery instead of a CD, as well as the 9 cell. Trouble is the latches weren’t fewer, it would often slip out, and that would cause the machine to lose power momentarily knocking it out of “sleep”.
- ohazi 5y ago
  The T480 was the last T-series model with dual batteries. The newer ones all have only the embedded battery.
tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
I appreciate the lower weight and size (and presumably cost) of devices, and I don't need to swap the battery often enough to justify batteries that can be replaced without tools. Battery replacement is a once-in-a-few-years operation and it's OK for it to take 5 minutes.
- waheoo 5y ago
  Spoken like someone that should probably be using a desktop. Personally, having backup batteries is a requirement for the places I work.
  - gambiting 5y ago
    Yes, that's why USB-C powerbanks exist. I can charge my laptop from one and it's nicer than lugging around laptop batteries, plus the laptop can be thinner.
    - waheoo 5y ago
      Such a bizzare way to respond. Laptop being thinner is a trade off you're willing to make, I am not. Charging a battery with another battery is extremely inefficient. Lugging around laptop batteries is exactly the same thing as lugging around power banks, except laptop batteries don't require a dongle and a cable to tether you to a table. Laptop batteries mean you laptop can continue to in fact work from your lap.
      - alpaca128 5y ago
        I am a big fan of removable batteries but even I can see the huge advantage of USB-C Powerbanks. An additional ThinkPad battery can cost ~$100 iirc. And this battery will only ever work with this specific laptop model. A powerbank for the same price will probably have a higher capacity, and be able to charge any USB-C device. All this is not a reason for integrated batteries, but Powerbanks using a universal interface are clearly more practical.
        waheoo 5y ago
        It depends on your use case. Some people don't want a huge honking power bank permanently tied to their laptop. That's the biggest issue with this theory. If I need a laptop with more battery, why do manufacturers keep getting rid of the option in the name of thinness. I used to get a full 8 hour day in on an extended ThinkPad battery. Now you're lucky to get two hours.

syshum 5y ago

a few generations ago ThinkPad when to a dual battery setup so unless your ThinkPad is pretty old I bet it has both an internal and removable battery. as to "What do we gain", they claim they can make them thinner and lighter, but the T14 seems to be the same Thinkness and a T450/T460 so.......

midasuni 5y ago
I had a second battery instead of a CD, as well as the 9 cell. Trouble is the latches weren’t fewer, it would often slip out, and that would cause the machine to lose power momentarily knocking it out of “sleep”.
ohazi 5y ago
The T480 was the last T-series model with dual batteries. The newer ones all have only the embedded battery.

tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago

I appreciate the lower weight and size (and presumably cost) of devices, and I don't need to swap the battery often enough to justify batteries that can be replaced without tools. Battery replacement is a once-in-a-few-years operation and it's OK for it to take 5 minutes.

waheoo 5y ago
Spoken like someone that should probably be using a desktop. Personally, having backup batteries is a requirement for the places I work.
- gambiting 5y ago
  Yes, that's why USB-C powerbanks exist. I can charge my laptop from one and it's nicer than lugging around laptop batteries, plus the laptop can be thinner.
  - waheoo 5y ago
    Such a bizzare way to respond. Laptop being thinner is a trade off you're willing to make, I am not. Charging a battery with another battery is extremely inefficient. Lugging around laptop batteries is exactly the same thing as lugging around power banks, except laptop batteries don't require a dongle and a cable to tether you to a table. Laptop batteries mean you laptop can continue to in fact work from your lap.
    - alpaca128 5y ago
      I am a big fan of removable batteries but even I can see the huge advantage of USB-C Powerbanks. An additional ThinkPad battery can cost ~$100 iirc. And this battery will only ever work with this specific laptop model. A powerbank for the same price will probably have a higher capacity, and be able to charge any USB-C device. All this is not a reason for integrated batteries, but Powerbanks using a universal interface are clearly more practical.
      - waheoo 5y ago
        It depends on your use case. Some people don't want a huge honking power bank permanently tied to their laptop. That's the biggest issue with this theory. If I need a laptop with more battery, why do manufacturers keep getting rid of the option in the name of thinness. I used to get a full 8 hour day in on an extended ThinkPad battery. Now you're lucky to get two hours.