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your question reads like you're saying it's the victim's fault

josefresco 5y ago
It's not, but it's still careless or slightly reckless behavior. Like leaving a pile of valuables on the front seat of your unattended (but locked) car.
- Natfan 5y ago
  That analogy doesn't really work here, because then anyone who's walking past could steal the valuables in your car. Consider that you had to send your car in for repairs to the company that produced your car, and you placed some valuables in your (locked) glove compartment. They then steal all of your valuables. The car company (or their trained engineers) should never have to entered the glove compartment at all. The fact of the matter is that you left your valuables in your car with a trusted third party, and that trust was abused and your valuables were stolen. The issue isn't that someone stole your stuff, it's that you trusted the company that built your car to not go snooping around and stealing your stuff. Trusting a third party is not "careless or "reckless" behaviour, the onus is on the company to behave responsibly with your personal items/data. EDIT: I took a look at the original article from the Telegraph[0], and it seems like the perpetrators were an Apple contractor called "Pegatron". While this isn't as bad as a BMW employee stealing stuff from a locked compartment in your BMW car, it still isn't great. If this contractor was officially allowed to perform repairs (which it seems like they were, as Apple paid the lawsuit), then they should be held to the same standards as Apple employees when it comes to data privacy. [0]: https://archive.ph/WFaO9 https://archive.ph/WFaO9
  - josefresco 5y ago
    > That analogy doesn't really work here, because then anyone who's walking past could steal the valuables in your car. I said locked car but whatever. Better analogy would be you get your car cleaned, and leave cash on the seat. > Trusting a third party is not "careless or "reckless" behavior I disagree but maybe it's a result of being taught to be "street smart" or "common sense" as it's sometimes called. I don't jog with headphones, I don't assume someone is going to turn when driving, I don't cross crosswalks without making sure traffic is stopping, and I don't assume a technician is going to be 100% honest when working on my stuff. Sure "it's not my fault" if I get hit by a car, or robbed but blindly trusting every "professional" you encounter is nuts.
- elliekelly 5y ago
  If anyone engaged in "slickly reckless behavior" it was the technicians snooping around in nude photos of a 16 year old. Not the 16 year old herself. She was a kid. She probably wasn't even aware of the potential risk. I know a lot of adults who aren't.
  - josefresco 5y ago
    > If anyone engaged in "slickly reckless behavior" it was the technicians snooping around in nude photos of a 16 year old Of course! It's more than reckless, it's disgusting, horrifying & illegal. I have kids about this age. If they left nude photos on their phone for a technician to find, I would scold them for being careless.

It's not, but it's still careless or slightly reckless behavior. Like leaving a pile of valuables on the front seat of your unattended (but locked) car.

Natfan 5y ago
That analogy doesn't really work here, because then anyone who's walking past could steal the valuables in your car. Consider that you had to send your car in for repairs to the company that produced your car, and you placed some valuables in your (locked) glove compartment. They then steal all of your valuables. The car company (or their trained engineers) should never have to entered the glove compartment at all. The fact of the matter is that you left your valuables in your car with a trusted third party, and that trust was abused and your valuables were stolen. The issue isn't that someone stole your stuff, it's that you trusted the company that built your car to not go snooping around and stealing your stuff. Trusting a third party is not "careless or "reckless" behaviour, the onus is on the company to behave responsibly with your personal items/data. EDIT: I took a look at the original article from the Telegraph[0], and it seems like the perpetrators were an Apple contractor called "Pegatron". While this isn't as bad as a BMW employee stealing stuff from a locked compartment in your BMW car, it still isn't great. If this contractor was officially allowed to perform repairs (which it seems like they were, as Apple paid the lawsuit), then they should be held to the same standards as Apple employees when it comes to data privacy. [0]: https://archive.ph/WFaO9 https://archive.ph/WFaO9
- josefresco 5y ago
  > That analogy doesn't really work here, because then anyone who's walking past could steal the valuables in your car. I said locked car but whatever. Better analogy would be you get your car cleaned, and leave cash on the seat. > Trusting a third party is not "careless or "reckless" behavior I disagree but maybe it's a result of being taught to be "street smart" or "common sense" as it's sometimes called. I don't jog with headphones, I don't assume someone is going to turn when driving, I don't cross crosswalks without making sure traffic is stopping, and I don't assume a technician is going to be 100% honest when working on my stuff. Sure "it's not my fault" if I get hit by a car, or robbed but blindly trusting every "professional" you encounter is nuts.
elliekelly 5y ago
If anyone engaged in "slickly reckless behavior" it was the technicians snooping around in nude photos of a 16 year old. Not the 16 year old herself. She was a kid. She probably wasn't even aware of the potential risk. I know a lot of adults who aren't.
- josefresco 5y ago
  > If anyone engaged in "slickly reckless behavior" it was the technicians snooping around in nude photos of a 16 year old Of course! It's more than reckless, it's disgusting, horrifying & illegal. I have kids about this age. If they left nude photos on their phone for a technician to find, I would scold them for being careless.