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I wonder how many times this has happened and they didn't find out about it. Posting it to her own Facebook made it pretty obvious. My father was an accountan

I wonder how many times this has happened and they didn't find out about it. Posting it to her own Facebook made it pretty obvious. My father was an accountant for many years and he always said if you found evidence of fraud you shouldn't be congratulatory because what you found is maybe 10% of what is actually there if you found it by chance.

thatguy0900 5y ago
Happens a lot. I used to work at a att store, workers getting into trouble for saving pics off customer phones happened regularly. I remember it going around that a verizon(? I think,it was a while ago) employee ring got busted for having a shared Dropbox full of pics from multiple stores and all of our managers were on guard about it happening at att.
Cthulhu_ 5y ago
I feel like that's the case with most solved crimes, e.g. drug smuggling; they are proud of catching big shipments, but if the shipments are that big already it implies that it's only the tip of the iceberg, as in, don't put all your eggs in one basket.
smcl 5y ago
This came up in Ozark too (good series) someone busts an employee stealing something and isn’t sure what to do, gets the advice “Fire her. It’s not the first time she stole from you. It’s the first time you caught her.”
hellbannedguy 5y ago
I worked as a state security guard while I was going to school. It was a good gig because I could get all my homework done while working, and state law said my pay needed to be equal to full time employees. My boss took his job very serious. He got the state to send us to security seminars. This was the late 80's and what suprised me the most is whom steals, or commits financial fraud. At least back then most loss in retail was committed by management. The higher up the tree, the more they stole be it cash, or merchandise. The employees, and customers stole, but the big thefts were usually committed by long term trusted management types. The instructor said, employees/owners usually don't question management, and they have more opportunities alone, with no one watching. He also said owners were notorious for stealing their stuff, and writing it off, or claiming it as a loss through their insurance company. He said, this is a dirty secret, that most organizations don't want leaked. It's much easier to blame the homeless, or gangs on theft. I imagine that has changed with the proliferation of cameras everywhere, but when I gear about large scale theft in a corporation, I automatically look at those in command of the employeees. My local Goodwill had gone through three store managers in a row for embezzlement. This was years ago though. Goodwill never prosecutes employees because they don't want to tarnish their image.
- pavel_lishin 5y ago
  > Goodwill never prosecutes employees because they don't want to tarnish their image. Well there's a fun fact for any management type who's interested in a new job and some on-the-side income.
- mywittyname 5y ago
  Smart people are pretty quickly able to identify gaps in a process (and there are always gaps). Jaded people realize that nobody really cares what you do, good or bad; all that matters is hitting the metrics. And cynical people feel entitled because of what they've been through ("I gave my life to this company, and they don't appreciate it..."). The higher you are in management, the more you have of all of those traits. Theft and fraud are so pervasive and most managers get away with it for years. Even if they are caught, at worst, they are merely fired. The more Machiavellian-types rope in low-level employees. So while it might seem like a "gang" of 20-somethings at an electronics store made off with a shipment. The reality is, an upper-level manager provided the cover for them to do so, and knew how to leave just enough evidence that it was an inside job, but not enough for the police to bother. For example, the badge used to access the storage area might belong to a little old lady who is honest to a fault and would be readily identified by security cameras. And if anyone questions why the store greeter has such privileged access, then it was just an honest mistake.
- tonyedgecombe 5y ago
  Wage theft is endemic as well, probably as much as all other property theft. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_theft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_theft
- ASinclair 5y ago
  I believe it. When I worked at an electronics retailer as a teen I knew a manager that would erroneously mark brand new products as "open box". Once they were marked as such the manager could change the price to anything they wanted. Then they would sell the products to friends and family for next to nothing.
  - sen 5y ago
optiomal_isgood 5y ago
A few years ago a friend of a friend was victim of the exact same thing, also involving Apple. Unfortunately it only led to the technicians to be fired, I wish it had gotten press coverage and they faced criminal charges. In the occasion, they didn't upload it anywhere, but she discovered because in the moment she was picking up her device back somehow (don't know the details) she saw one of her half-naked pictures in the technician computer.
vmception 5y ago
Thats been my experience too. Every time a topic like this comes up, people want to debate why its not lacking a paper trail and how people can theoretically get caught and when you disagree they want a break down of how, which is equally absurd to write anywhere. I feel like everyone thinks they are entitled to being able to google something as evidence of its occurrence and don’t realize that the absence of evidence isn't the evidence of absence.
booleandilemma 5y ago
"There's never just one cockroach in the kitchen" https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/30/warren-buffett-on-wells-fargo-theres-never-just-one-cockroach-in-the-kitchen.html https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/30/warren-buffett-on-wells-farg...

thatguy0900 5y ago

Happens a lot. I used to work at a att store, workers getting into trouble for saving pics off customer phones happened regularly. I remember it going around that a verizon(? I think,it was a while ago) employee ring got busted for having a shared Dropbox full of pics from multiple stores and all of our managers were on guard about it happening at att.

Cthulhu_ 5y ago

I feel like that's the case with most solved crimes, e.g. drug smuggling; they are proud of catching big shipments, but if the shipments are that big already it implies that it's only the tip of the iceberg, as in, don't put all your eggs in one basket.

smcl 5y ago

This came up in Ozark too (good series) someone busts an employee stealing something and isn’t sure what to do, gets the advice “Fire her. It’s not the first time she stole from you. It’s the first time you caught her.”

hellbannedguy 5y ago

I worked as a state security guard while I was going to school. It was a good gig because I could get all my homework done while working, and state law said my pay needed to be equal to full time employees. My boss took his job very serious. He got the state to send us to security seminars. This was the late 80's and what suprised me the most is whom steals, or commits financial fraud. At least back then most loss in retail was committed by management. The higher up the tree, the more they stole be it cash, or merchandise. The employees, and customers stole, but the big thefts were usually committed by long term trusted management types. The instructor said, employees/owners usually don't question management, and they have more opportunities alone, with no one watching. He also said owners were notorious for stealing their stuff, and writing it off, or claiming it as a loss through their insurance company. He said, this is a dirty secret, that most organizations don't want leaked. It's much easier to blame the homeless, or gangs on theft. I imagine that has changed with the proliferation of cameras everywhere, but when I gear about large scale theft in a corporation, I automatically look at those in command of the employeees. My local Goodwill had gone through three store managers in a row for embezzlement. This was years ago though. Goodwill never prosecutes employees because they don't want to tarnish their image.

pavel_lishin 5y ago
> Goodwill never prosecutes employees because they don't want to tarnish their image. Well there's a fun fact for any management type who's interested in a new job and some on-the-side income.
mywittyname 5y ago
Smart people are pretty quickly able to identify gaps in a process (and there are always gaps). Jaded people realize that nobody really cares what you do, good or bad; all that matters is hitting the metrics. And cynical people feel entitled because of what they've been through ("I gave my life to this company, and they don't appreciate it..."). The higher you are in management, the more you have of all of those traits. Theft and fraud are so pervasive and most managers get away with it for years. Even if they are caught, at worst, they are merely fired. The more Machiavellian-types rope in low-level employees. So while it might seem like a "gang" of 20-somethings at an electronics store made off with a shipment. The reality is, an upper-level manager provided the cover for them to do so, and knew how to leave just enough evidence that it was an inside job, but not enough for the police to bother. For example, the badge used to access the storage area might belong to a little old lady who is honest to a fault and would be readily identified by security cameras. And if anyone questions why the store greeter has such privileged access, then it was just an honest mistake.
tonyedgecombe 5y ago
Wage theft is endemic as well, probably as much as all other property theft. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_theft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_theft
ASinclair 5y ago
I believe it. When I worked at an electronics retailer as a teen I knew a manager that would erroneously mark brand new products as "open box". Once they were marked as such the manager could change the price to anything they wanted. Then they would sell the products to friends and family for next to nothing.
- sen 5y ago

optiomal_isgood 5y ago

A few years ago a friend of a friend was victim of the exact same thing, also involving Apple. Unfortunately it only led to the technicians to be fired, I wish it had gotten press coverage and they faced criminal charges. In the occasion, they didn't upload it anywhere, but she discovered because in the moment she was picking up her device back somehow (don't know the details) she saw one of her half-naked pictures in the technician computer.

vmception 5y ago

Thats been my experience too. Every time a topic like this comes up, people want to debate why its not lacking a paper trail and how people can theoretically get caught and when you disagree they want a break down of how, which is equally absurd to write anywhere. I feel like everyone thinks they are entitled to being able to google something as evidence of its occurrence and don’t realize that the absence of evidence isn't the evidence of absence.

booleandilemma 5y ago

"There's never just one cockroach in the kitchen" https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/30/warren-buffett-on-wells-fargo-theres-never-just-one-cockroach-in-the-kitchen.html https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/30/warren-buffett-on-wells-farg...