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I couldn’t find the exact number of “millions” that Apple paid. Is it part of a class action lawsuit or did the entirety go to the one plaintiff? It amazes me

by KMnO4 5y ago

I couldn’t find the exact number of “millions” that Apple paid. Is it part of a class action lawsuit or did the entirety go to the one plaintiff? It amazes me that workplace conditions causing loss of life can be settled for much, much less (as low as $75k paid to the family).

IG_Semmelweiss 5y ago
I am not going to make a judgement on the morality, but this is not surprising. Awards for loss of life are actually codified in case law as being vastly smaller awards than the award for loss of limbs, senses, etc. It is somewhat logical since the primary injured (the dead) can't be made whole. Contrast this to someone injured but not dead - they will have to live with the injury for the rest of their life. Case in point - this girl. This is why disability policies are more expensive for higher income individuals. Presumably, the injured and his/her family depends on that income to live, and the income loss must be made whole.
- wallacoloo 5y ago
  > they will have to live with the injury for the rest of their life. Case in point - this girl. I’m conflicted in taking this side, but if it’s millions — with an s — given just to her, then she’s basically set for life. Never has to work again to maintain a decent middle-class life, because her FB friends saw her nudes. That seems wildly disproportionate — most everyone I know would gladly take that trade. If it’s a class action suit, or is constructed such that not all that money goes to this one victim, that’s a different thing. The part that disturbs me is whenever being a victim can become similar to winning the lottery.
  - muskox2 5y ago
    I'm sure in any case the lawyers took a hefty sum.
  - mlac 5y ago
    It’s easy to say “hey sorry network, you’re going to some explicit photos of me and I’m gonna make millions from it. Just ignore it and we’re good”. But that wasn’t the deal. This feels a bit like the McDonald’s coffee lawsuit. On the surface it’s easy for some to take that deal (nudes for millions) but consider this: 1) she might have been Facebook friends with family or family friends. 2) this could wreck someone in high school and cause issues with dating, friends, etc. taken the wrong way it could kill your social life and cause depression 3) people jump to assuming she’s conventionally attractive. She might be very shy about her body and was taking those for herself. People might have grabbed them and made fun of her.. 4) there was no guarantee of a payout and it took five years legal distraction during prime high school and college age for a resolution 5) if she is from a small town or a highly religious town, she will now be known as the girl that had her nudes leaked. If it was a religious town, it could have brought shame on the family and in some cases ended relationships 6) if this screwed up her high school trajectory, it could have messed up her grades and limited her college choices Lastly, I think part of this amount is to make it somewhat meaningful to Apple. If it happened once because they didn’t properly vet their 3rd party, a small fine would do nothing to prevent it from happening in the future.
t0mas88 5y ago
I guess Apple realized that the PR damage here was going to be significant as well. If they settle then can put an NDA in there, if they take it all the way to court and loose at a lower amount they have saved maybe a million compared to the settlement but now the other party isn't under NDA and can cause huge reputational damage by appearing on a few talkshows.

by KMnO4 5y ago

IG_Semmelweiss 5y ago

I am not going to make a judgement on the morality, but this is not surprising. Awards for loss of life are actually codified in case law as being vastly smaller awards than the award for loss of limbs, senses, etc. It is somewhat logical since the primary injured (the dead) can't be made whole. Contrast this to someone injured but not dead - they will have to live with the injury for the rest of their life. Case in point - this girl. This is why disability policies are more expensive for higher income individuals. Presumably, the injured and his/her family depends on that income to live, and the income loss must be made whole.

wallacoloo 5y ago
> they will have to live with the injury for the rest of their life. Case in point - this girl. I’m conflicted in taking this side, but if it’s millions — with an s — given just to her, then she’s basically set for life. Never has to work again to maintain a decent middle-class life, because her FB friends saw her nudes. That seems wildly disproportionate — most everyone I know would gladly take that trade. If it’s a class action suit, or is constructed such that not all that money goes to this one victim, that’s a different thing. The part that disturbs me is whenever being a victim can become similar to winning the lottery.
- muskox2 5y ago
  I'm sure in any case the lawyers took a hefty sum.
- mlac 5y ago
  It’s easy to say “hey sorry network, you’re going to some explicit photos of me and I’m gonna make millions from it. Just ignore it and we’re good”. But that wasn’t the deal. This feels a bit like the McDonald’s coffee lawsuit. On the surface it’s easy for some to take that deal (nudes for millions) but consider this: 1) she might have been Facebook friends with family or family friends. 2) this could wreck someone in high school and cause issues with dating, friends, etc. taken the wrong way it could kill your social life and cause depression 3) people jump to assuming she’s conventionally attractive. She might be very shy about her body and was taking those for herself. People might have grabbed them and made fun of her.. 4) there was no guarantee of a payout and it took five years legal distraction during prime high school and college age for a resolution 5) if she is from a small town or a highly religious town, she will now be known as the girl that had her nudes leaked. If it was a religious town, it could have brought shame on the family and in some cases ended relationships 6) if this screwed up her high school trajectory, it could have messed up her grades and limited her college choices Lastly, I think part of this amount is to make it somewhat meaningful to Apple. If it happened once because they didn’t properly vet their 3rd party, a small fine would do nothing to prevent it from happening in the future.

t0mas88 5y ago

I guess Apple realized that the PR damage here was going to be significant as well. If they settle then can put an NDA in there, if they take it all the way to court and loose at a lower amount they have saved maybe a million compared to the settlement but now the other party isn't under NDA and can cause huge reputational damage by appearing on a few talkshows.