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Is there a legal reason why they can't sign a waiver? You are always a misstep away from injury or death working on any heavy equipment. That has always been th

by bserge 5y ago

Is there a legal reason why they can't sign a waiver? You are always a misstep away from injury or death working on any heavy equipment. That has always been the case.

lotsofpulp 5y ago
I would not trust the legal power of a waiver between two non governmental entities. When the public opinion wants someone to pay, the government will go after whoever can pay. I would want a clear law that prevents the company from being liable.
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago
  >I would not trust the legal power of a waiver between two non governmental entities So you don't trust the courts to enforce a contract? That's basically what a liability waver is, a bog standard contract that amends a prior (often implied by legal convention or state law) contract between the manufacturer and the product owner. >When the public opinion wants someone to pay, the government will go after whoever can pay FYI making one or both entities "governmental" doesn't do anything to change this.
  - lotsofpulp 5y ago
    The effectiveness of a liability waiver is heavily dependent on the state it is being litigated in, as well as the precise wording of the contract and opinions of the people in the courts. https://recmanagement.com/feature_print.php?fid=200611GC03 https://recmanagement.com/feature_print.php?fid=200611GC03 > FYI making one or both entities "governmental" doesn't do anything to change this. I do not know what this means, but my point is that if one of the parties in the dispute is politically disliked, then they may not get a fair shake. In the context of this discussion, I can see “not having to deal with risks of liability waivers” as a supporting reason for why a company would want to lock down their devices or prevent people from tinkering with them. Then they can simply tell anyone coming after them that their product was clearly not meant to be tampered with and so tampering with it removed them from any liability.

by bserge 5y ago

Is there a legal reason why they can't sign a waiver? You are always a misstep away from injury or death working on any heavy equipment. That has always been the case.

lotsofpulp 5y ago

I would not trust the legal power of a waiver between two non governmental entities. When the public opinion wants someone to pay, the government will go after whoever can pay. I would want a clear law that prevents the company from being liable.

throwaway0a5e 5y ago
>I would not trust the legal power of a waiver between two non governmental entities So you don't trust the courts to enforce a contract? That's basically what a liability waver is, a bog standard contract that amends a prior (often implied by legal convention or state law) contract between the manufacturer and the product owner. >When the public opinion wants someone to pay, the government will go after whoever can pay FYI making one or both entities "governmental" doesn't do anything to change this.
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  The effectiveness of a liability waiver is heavily dependent on the state it is being litigated in, as well as the precise wording of the contract and opinions of the people in the courts. https://recmanagement.com/feature_print.php?fid=200611GC03 https://recmanagement.com/feature_print.php?fid=200611GC03 > FYI making one or both entities "governmental" doesn't do anything to change this. I do not know what this means, but my point is that if one of the parties in the dispute is politically disliked, then they may not get a fair shake. In the context of this discussion, I can see “not having to deal with risks of liability waivers” as a supporting reason for why a company would want to lock down their devices or prevent people from tinkering with them. Then they can simply tell anyone coming after them that their product was clearly not meant to be tampered with and so tampering with it removed them from any liability.