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I mean, if two of the biggest companies of the world, Apple and Tesla can get away with it, why not the rest of the markets? This trend needs to stop. I cannot

I mean, if two of the biggest companies of the world, Apple and Tesla can get away with it, why not the rest of the markets? This trend needs to stop. I cannot fathom how anyone thought preventing farmers, FARMERS for crying out loud, the people who grow our goddamn food, from repairing their equipment is way, way beyond me..

tim333 5y ago
Apple's not that bad really. Typed from an 8 year old Apple with replaced battery, ssd and keyboard.
- simion314 5y ago
  But can you have it replaced for cheap on a new model? Nobody said that you can't pay Apple a big amount of money so they fix your stuff, the issue is that in newer devices it is getting harder to repair the devices using an independent service(not everyone has the money or lives near an Apple store). Apple can just not fuck with this independent people, let them have access to the same repair documentation and parts their own people have access.
  - dncornholio 5y ago
    Apple is actively disabling people to even change their battery. Same type of battery wont work in another same type macbook anymore..
    - tim333 5y ago
      Ah. That's bad.
- syshum 5y ago
  Search Louis Rossman if you really believe that Apple is the poster child for hostility to independent repair
- swiley 5y ago
  They weren't so bad 8 years ago.
- CivBase 5y ago
  Who replaced those parts for you and what sort of hell did they have to put up with to facilitate those repairs? And how viable are those same repairs for a modern MacBook in comparison? Apple's goal (same with other manufacturers like JD) isn't to eradicate independent repair. They just want to make it economically in-viable so that third-party repair disappears and most consumers choose to buy new.
ajsnigrutin 5y ago
The problem with modern large farmers is the same as with richer tesla owners... you buy a car/tractor with 5y warranty, you service it at a dealer (to keep your warranty), and after 5y, you trade it in for a new one. It's same as with most other devices like that.. even a mercedes... who cares about data/plans/parts/... for a 3yo mercedes? ..it's under warranty, so they'll deal with it. Same with phones... new phone has a warranty, sometimes even insurance The problem becomes real when your tesla/tractor/mercedes/phone is 10yo (phone a bit less) and available for cheap on the second hand market... it's not under warranty anymore, financially it's not worth it to have a dealer fix it, if you can do it yourself, but you're unable to do so, because you don't have the schematics and/or parts available. So, the large industrial farmers don't really care... it's the "little guys" who get fscked by companies like JD/tesla/apple,...
- randomdata 5y ago
  A lot of the new equipment is not even bought, but rather leased. The largest farms will keep rolling the leases into new equipment and then the used equipment is then put out on the used market for someone to buy. The first users do not have a whole lot of concern about legally of their ownership as their leases have them renting the equipment from the start. The users down the line may have greater concern, but they are limited to what is available on the used market. If the first generation users choose John Deere, that means they are effectively limited to John Deere.
- CivBase 5y ago
  > The problem with modern large farmers is the same as with richer tesla owners... you buy a car/tractor with 5y warranty, you service it at a dealer (to keep your warranty), and after 5y, you trade it in for a new one. I don't think that's how that works. My grandparents own and operate a very respectable size farm for being independent and they definitely do not trade in their tractors like that. I'd be skeptical that mega-farms do this too. Even with cars the majority of the market buys second-hand, which is why the few who buy new every 5 years have someone to sell to. Tractors are an order of magnitude more expensive and independents who might consider paying good money for second-hand equipment are vanishing quickly.
- 5y ago
zepto 5y ago
The question is - why do farmers not buy Kubota tractors if they want something repairable? The only explanation given in this thread seems to be ‘branding’.

tim333 5y ago

Apple's not that bad really. Typed from an 8 year old Apple with replaced battery, ssd and keyboard.

simion314 5y ago
But can you have it replaced for cheap on a new model? Nobody said that you can't pay Apple a big amount of money so they fix your stuff, the issue is that in newer devices it is getting harder to repair the devices using an independent service(not everyone has the money or lives near an Apple store). Apple can just not fuck with this independent people, let them have access to the same repair documentation and parts their own people have access.
- dncornholio 5y ago
  Apple is actively disabling people to even change their battery. Same type of battery wont work in another same type macbook anymore..
  - tim333 5y ago
    Ah. That's bad.
syshum 5y ago
Search Louis Rossman if you really believe that Apple is the poster child for hostility to independent repair
swiley 5y ago
They weren't so bad 8 years ago.
CivBase 5y ago
Who replaced those parts for you and what sort of hell did they have to put up with to facilitate those repairs? And how viable are those same repairs for a modern MacBook in comparison? Apple's goal (same with other manufacturers like JD) isn't to eradicate independent repair. They just want to make it economically in-viable so that third-party repair disappears and most consumers choose to buy new.

ajsnigrutin 5y ago

The problem with modern large farmers is the same as with richer tesla owners... you buy a car/tractor with 5y warranty, you service it at a dealer (to keep your warranty), and after 5y, you trade it in for a new one. It's same as with most other devices like that.. even a mercedes... who cares about data/plans/parts/... for a 3yo mercedes? ..it's under warranty, so they'll deal with it. Same with phones... new phone has a warranty, sometimes even insurance The problem becomes real when your tesla/tractor/mercedes/phone is 10yo (phone a bit less) and available for cheap on the second hand market... it's not under warranty anymore, financially it's not worth it to have a dealer fix it, if you can do it yourself, but you're unable to do so, because you don't have the schematics and/or parts available. So, the large industrial farmers don't really care... it's the "little guys" who get fscked by companies like JD/tesla/apple,...

randomdata 5y ago
A lot of the new equipment is not even bought, but rather leased. The largest farms will keep rolling the leases into new equipment and then the used equipment is then put out on the used market for someone to buy. The first users do not have a whole lot of concern about legally of their ownership as their leases have them renting the equipment from the start. The users down the line may have greater concern, but they are limited to what is available on the used market. If the first generation users choose John Deere, that means they are effectively limited to John Deere.
CivBase 5y ago
> The problem with modern large farmers is the same as with richer tesla owners... you buy a car/tractor with 5y warranty, you service it at a dealer (to keep your warranty), and after 5y, you trade it in for a new one. I don't think that's how that works. My grandparents own and operate a very respectable size farm for being independent and they definitely do not trade in their tractors like that. I'd be skeptical that mega-farms do this too. Even with cars the majority of the market buys second-hand, which is why the few who buy new every 5 years have someone to sell to. Tractors are an order of magnitude more expensive and independents who might consider paying good money for second-hand equipment are vanishing quickly.
5y ago

zepto 5y ago

The question is - why do farmers not buy Kubota tractors if they want something repairable? The only explanation given in this thread seems to be ‘branding’.