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This rethoric has been proven false in the software development ecosystem. Nowadays almost all new programming languages are open-source, and *nix OS softwares

This rethoric has been proven false in the software development ecosystem. Nowadays almost all new programming languages are open-source, and *nix OS softwares have won the cultural battle over Windows in the devops community. > the supposedly bad capitalist IP system is also the reason for innovation and cooperation For me this is as much a myth as the good old "the wealth trickles down from the rich to the poor"

vimacs2 5y ago
Not only is it a myth but also incredibly arrogant, as if the ten thousand years of advancements and innovation by humanity since the dawn of civilisation prior to the development of capitalism in Italian city states never happened.
- WalterBright 5y ago
  The hockey stick innovation curve started at the time of the industrial revolution, thanks to free markets.
  - vimacs2 5y ago
    Or it could have also been due to the whole having access to orders of magnitude more mechanical power on tap, assembly line production allowing for rapid prototyping, and industrialisation of agriculture leading to a population boom.
    - WalterBright 5y ago
      Which happened in free market countries, not unfree ones. P.S. the assembly line (invented in a free market country) is not about rapid prototyping. Prototypes are not built on an assembly line.
      - vimacs2 5y ago
        Russia and China or do those not count?
        WalterBright 5y ago
        Russia and China did not industrialize until well over a century later. Or are you saying Russia and China build prototypes on an assembly line? I'll need a reference for that!
antibuddy 5y ago
Tell me what system without the capitalist IP system actually innovated faster/better. I only find a lot of failed attempts. Maybe monetary incentives are important for innovation. And I don't think it's perfect at all, but abolishing it also seems a bit rich. > Nowadays almost all new programming languages are open-source, and *nix OS softwares have won the cultural battle over Windows in the devops community. What does that proof? You can't pretend that this would work universally.
WalterBright 5y ago
There's nothing anti-free market about Open Source.
- Der_Einzige 5y ago
  Except copyleft, the GNU project, and all other viral licenses
  - WalterBright 5y ago
    Since those are purely voluntary, they are not against free market principles. Anyone can (and has) form a commune in the US, too. There's nothing to stop you.
Ygg2 5y ago
> This rethoric has been proven false in the software development ecosystem. Citation needed. I like open source software, but let's just say often you don't want OSS community to design an interface or maintain it. Inkscape is on one hand a great tool, on the other hand, it just bogs down doing routine things like zoom or rotate canvas.

vimacs2 5y ago

Not only is it a myth but also incredibly arrogant, as if the ten thousand years of advancements and innovation by humanity since the dawn of civilisation prior to the development of capitalism in Italian city states never happened.

WalterBright 5y ago
The hockey stick innovation curve started at the time of the industrial revolution, thanks to free markets.
- vimacs2 5y ago
  Or it could have also been due to the whole having access to orders of magnitude more mechanical power on tap, assembly line production allowing for rapid prototyping, and industrialisation of agriculture leading to a population boom.
  - WalterBright 5y ago
    Which happened in free market countries, not unfree ones. P.S. the assembly line (invented in a free market country) is not about rapid prototyping. Prototypes are not built on an assembly line.
    - vimacs2 5y ago
      Russia and China or do those not count?
      - WalterBright 5y ago
        Russia and China did not industrialize until well over a century later. Or are you saying Russia and China build prototypes on an assembly line? I'll need a reference for that!

antibuddy 5y ago

Tell me what system without the capitalist IP system actually innovated faster/better. I only find a lot of failed attempts. Maybe monetary incentives are important for innovation. And I don't think it's perfect at all, but abolishing it also seems a bit rich. > Nowadays almost all new programming languages are open-source, and *nix OS softwares have won the cultural battle over Windows in the devops community. What does that proof? You can't pretend that this would work universally.

WalterBright 5y ago

There's nothing anti-free market about Open Source.

Der_Einzige 5y ago
Except copyleft, the GNU project, and all other viral licenses
- WalterBright 5y ago
  Since those are purely voluntary, they are not against free market principles. Anyone can (and has) form a commune in the US, too. There's nothing to stop you.

Ygg2 5y ago

> This rethoric has been proven false in the software development ecosystem. Citation needed. I like open source software, but let's just say often you don't want OSS community to design an interface or maintain it. Inkscape is on one hand a great tool, on the other hand, it just bogs down doing routine things like zoom or rotate canvas.