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I'd like to know when was China actually Socialist? It moved from Communism to a form of Capitalism where the single party is basically in control of who is all

by Renaud 5y ago

I'd like to know when was China actually Socialist? It moved from Communism to a form of Capitalism where the single party is basically in control of who is allowed to make money; something that can be taken away by the party at any time. In just a few decades, China managed to have nearly has many billionaires as the US and it won't be long before the US is left in the dust (not that it's a particularly great metric, just shows capitalistic opportunities). China has no respect for boundaries but demands others to respect theirs so it's not like they don't care. They do care all right, a bit too much actually if you ask Vietnam and the Philippines... It's just a matter of what they can get away with. China is flexing its power and it will fill any void (ie Africa) where it can see an opportunity to exploit. It's not like other countries haven't done that before but China is now eager for resources and influence and they are big...

ajsnigrutin 5y ago
Communism is a real-world application of socialism... Socialism itself doesn't work on real people. source: was born in a former socialist/communist country.. both former "socialist" and former country.
crazydoggers 5y ago
> I'd like to know when was China actually Socialist. China has been socialist since the communists won the Chinese civil war in 1949. China employs capitalist methods in order to further its productive capabilities in order to complete it socialist revolution. Ultimately the Chinese communist party has full and final control of all property. In other words Chinese “capitalism” does not entail private property rights as are guarded in constitutions in other countries. Educational material: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_with_Chinese_characteristics https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_with_Chinese_chara... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Communist_Revolution https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Communist_Revolution https://www.learningfromchina.net/why-china-is-a-socialist-country-chinas-theory-is-in-line-with-marx-but-not-stalin/ https://www.learningfromchina.net/why-china-is-a-socialist-c...
- bulgr0z 5y ago
  Europe's socialism (for example) is very different from the Chinese one and does not suppress its citizen's private property rights. The generalization you made about socialism is not accurate outside China.
  - crazydoggers 5y ago
    While Chinese communism is different than European, they both stem from Marxist socialism. Private property rights are only for the good of the state. What laws exist, are for the good of the socialist system, and can be amended by the communist party at any time. Chinese courts do not have the power of judicial review and cannot invalidate a statute on the grounds that it violates the constitution... ie China is a totalitarian system. “Private property” in China is for the benefit of the state. The basic tenant of Chinese government... “From each according to their ability, to each according to his needs” means redistribution is always in the hands of the state. READ the educational material!
    - Lutger 5y ago
      You didn't actually respond to the comment. Both stemming from Marxism doesn't somehow make them magically the same, as you seem to be implying. Again, China's 'socialism' is very different nearly all variations found in Western Democracies.
      - crazydoggers 5y ago
        I’m not implying they are the same. I’m saying it’s still socialism. Private property under China is fundamentally different. The communist party can redistribute it any time. You can’t sue the Chinese government to get your property back, as they can amend any laws at will. So it being different than European communism doesn’t meant it’s not socialism.
    - verall 5y ago
      Socialism != totalitarianism yet you keep saying this. China is socialist under their own definition of socialism. Yet they have heard the siren song and have been steadily marching closer to a state-aided crony capitalist system that resembles Russia's current system, but much better managed.

by Renaud 5y ago

ajsnigrutin 5y ago

Communism is a real-world application of socialism... Socialism itself doesn't work on real people. source: was born in a former socialist/communist country.. both former "socialist" and former country.

crazydoggers 5y ago

> I'd like to know when was China actually Socialist. China has been socialist since the communists won the Chinese civil war in 1949. China employs capitalist methods in order to further its productive capabilities in order to complete it socialist revolution. Ultimately the Chinese communist party has full and final control of all property. In other words Chinese “capitalism” does not entail private property rights as are guarded in constitutions in other countries. Educational material: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_with_Chinese_characteristics https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_with_Chinese_chara... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Communist_Revolution https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Communist_Revolution https://www.learningfromchina.net/why-china-is-a-socialist-country-chinas-theory-is-in-line-with-marx-but-not-stalin/ https://www.learningfromchina.net/why-china-is-a-socialist-c...

bulgr0z 5y ago
Europe's socialism (for example) is very different from the Chinese one and does not suppress its citizen's private property rights. The generalization you made about socialism is not accurate outside China.
- crazydoggers 5y ago
  While Chinese communism is different than European, they both stem from Marxist socialism. Private property rights are only for the good of the state. What laws exist, are for the good of the socialist system, and can be amended by the communist party at any time. Chinese courts do not have the power of judicial review and cannot invalidate a statute on the grounds that it violates the constitution... ie China is a totalitarian system. “Private property” in China is for the benefit of the state. The basic tenant of Chinese government... “From each according to their ability, to each according to his needs” means redistribution is always in the hands of the state. READ the educational material!
  - Lutger 5y ago
    You didn't actually respond to the comment. Both stemming from Marxism doesn't somehow make them magically the same, as you seem to be implying. Again, China's 'socialism' is very different nearly all variations found in Western Democracies.
    - crazydoggers 5y ago
      I’m not implying they are the same. I’m saying it’s still socialism. Private property under China is fundamentally different. The communist party can redistribute it any time. You can’t sue the Chinese government to get your property back, as they can amend any laws at will. So it being different than European communism doesn’t meant it’s not socialism.
  - verall 5y ago
    Socialism != totalitarianism yet you keep saying this. China is socialist under their own definition of socialism. Yet they have heard the siren song and have been steadily marching closer to a state-aided crony capitalist system that resembles Russia's current system, but much better managed.