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> Yes, I've noticed people say "taxes" when they mean "income taxes", but it's not possible to dodge property and consumption taxes like that. And I've noticed

> Yes, I've noticed people say "taxes" when they mean "income taxes", but it's not possible to dodge property and consumption taxes like that. And I've noticed people say "immigrant" when they mean "illegal alien". > I suppose cutting down on rent by living 6 to an apartment does evade property tax, but that is called efficiency. It's also called increased competition for housing and jobs, by someone who is in the country illegally, aka "illegal competition".

astrange 5y ago
> And I've noticed people say "immigrant" when they mean "illegal alien". Being illegal is what makes them pay taxes without using services. It's like a tourism economy but more exploitative - but you're the exploiter here so you're winning. > It's also called increased competition for housing and jobs, by someone who is in the country illegally, aka "illegal competition". Adding people to an economy does not take your job or even really compete for it, because immigrants are customers. That is the lump of labor fallacy. It can also add housing because they're usually people who are better at construction labor than you are.
- newfriend 5y ago
  > It's like a tourism economy but more exploitative - but you're the exploiter here so you're winning. Great, let's stop exploiting them and deport them all immediately, as the law indicates should happen. > Adding people to an economy does not take your job or even really compete for it, because immigrants are customers. That is the lump of labor fallacy. Yes it does. Adding workers to a worker pool drives wages down. Illegal aliens are not customers of landscaping, construction, restaurants, hotels, housekeeping, etc. They aren't adding any demand here, they are only increasing supply and thus pushing wages down for low-skilled citizens and LEGAL immigrants. Your labor theories don't hold up to reality. > It can also add housing because they're usually people who are better at construction labor than you are. Illegal aliens aren't sitting there building homes from scratch on plots of land they purchase. They are most often renting, which again, drives rents up because of increased competition for resources.

astrange 5y ago

> And I've noticed people say "immigrant" when they mean "illegal alien". Being illegal is what makes them pay taxes without using services. It's like a tourism economy but more exploitative - but you're the exploiter here so you're winning. > It's also called increased competition for housing and jobs, by someone who is in the country illegally, aka "illegal competition". Adding people to an economy does not take your job or even really compete for it, because immigrants are customers. That is the lump of labor fallacy. It can also add housing because they're usually people who are better at construction labor than you are.

newfriend 5y ago
> It's like a tourism economy but more exploitative - but you're the exploiter here so you're winning. Great, let's stop exploiting them and deport them all immediately, as the law indicates should happen. > Adding people to an economy does not take your job or even really compete for it, because immigrants are customers. That is the lump of labor fallacy. Yes it does. Adding workers to a worker pool drives wages down. Illegal aliens are not customers of landscaping, construction, restaurants, hotels, housekeeping, etc. They aren't adding any demand here, they are only increasing supply and thus pushing wages down for low-skilled citizens and LEGAL immigrants. Your labor theories don't hold up to reality. > It can also add housing because they're usually people who are better at construction labor than you are. Illegal aliens aren't sitting there building homes from scratch on plots of land they purchase. They are most often renting, which again, drives rents up because of increased competition for resources.