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Source for this claim? Sounds entirely like unfounded speculation. (Wikipedia page on the facility in question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

by 3np 5y ago

Source for this claim? Sounds entirely like unfounded speculation. (Wikipedia page on the facility in question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center)

Lammy 5y ago
Yeah maybe it was just for the construction kickbacks and the datacenter is actually empty.
- 3np 5y ago
  Or they managed to fill it with hardware without having to coordinate an intricate conspiracy involving supply chain and manufacturers across the globe.
  - Lammy 5y ago
    > coordinate an intricate conspiracy Nobody is alleging that but you. Personally I don't think either "surveillance system needs a way to store what is collected" or "high-volume customers have economic leverage to demand confidentiality" are particularly intricate concepts.
    - deleted 5y ago
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    - choeger 5y ago
      The Snowden effect has worn off, it seems. Nowadays the NSA is back to being able to pull the most extreme stunts and everyone who thinks it is even remotely possible is called a crazy conspiracy theorist.
      - exmadscientist 5y ago
        To claim that the NSA caused or faked the Thailand flooding is conspiracy theorist bullshit of the highest order. To claim that the NSA took advantage of an existing event to help their already-planned ordering fly under the radar more easily is perfectly plausible. And, honestly, pretty boring. Which one are you alleging? Choosing your words carefully might be wise.
        rbanffy 5y ago
        The NSA has no shortage of front companies to do such jobs. For instance, when the CIA needed to place torture experts in Brazil so they better could support the Brazilian military dictatorship, companies like Ford and Coca Cola were more than happy to offer them management jobs.
    - monadgonad 5y ago
      Colordrops said, "The Thailand story was a cover." This is the allegation. Not that the NSA bought a lot of drives and kept it secret, but that this purchase alone rather than the floods were responsible for the drive storage, and the flood story was fabricated. That is the alleged conspiracy.
      - jeegsy 5y ago
        I find that a number of conspiracy theories are 'debunked' by creating an obviously ridiculous strawman/rendition of the theory that nobody actually claimed.
        rightbyte 5y ago
        Also counspiracy nutcases are a conspiracy to hide conspiracies by ridiculing.
- gscott 5y ago
  It seems to be in pretty heavy use https://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=2118801&itype=CMSID https://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=2118801&itype=CMSI... https://archive.thinkprogress.org/nsa-tries-to-keep-its-water-use-a-secret-but-drought-stricken-utah-isnt-buying-it-da5c80b5d0f4/ https://archive.thinkprogress.org/nsa-tries-to-keep-its-wate...

by 3np 5y ago

Lammy 5y ago

Yeah maybe it was just for the construction kickbacks and the datacenter is actually empty.

3np 5y ago
Or they managed to fill it with hardware without having to coordinate an intricate conspiracy involving supply chain and manufacturers across the globe.
- Lammy 5y ago
  > coordinate an intricate conspiracy Nobody is alleging that but you. Personally I don't think either "surveillance system needs a way to store what is collected" or "high-volume customers have economic leverage to demand confidentiality" are particularly intricate concepts.
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  - choeger 5y ago
    The Snowden effect has worn off, it seems. Nowadays the NSA is back to being able to pull the most extreme stunts and everyone who thinks it is even remotely possible is called a crazy conspiracy theorist.
    - exmadscientist 5y ago
      To claim that the NSA caused or faked the Thailand flooding is conspiracy theorist bullshit of the highest order. To claim that the NSA took advantage of an existing event to help their already-planned ordering fly under the radar more easily is perfectly plausible. And, honestly, pretty boring. Which one are you alleging? Choosing your words carefully might be wise.
      - rbanffy 5y ago
        The NSA has no shortage of front companies to do such jobs. For instance, when the CIA needed to place torture experts in Brazil so they better could support the Brazilian military dictatorship, companies like Ford and Coca Cola were more than happy to offer them management jobs.
  - monadgonad 5y ago
    Colordrops said, "The Thailand story was a cover." This is the allegation. Not that the NSA bought a lot of drives and kept it secret, but that this purchase alone rather than the floods were responsible for the drive storage, and the flood story was fabricated. That is the alleged conspiracy.
    - jeegsy 5y ago
      I find that a number of conspiracy theories are 'debunked' by creating an obviously ridiculous strawman/rendition of the theory that nobody actually claimed.
      - rightbyte 5y ago
        Also counspiracy nutcases are a conspiracy to hide conspiracies by ridiculing.
gscott 5y ago
It seems to be in pretty heavy use https://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=2118801&itype=CMSID https://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=2118801&itype=CMSI... https://archive.thinkprogress.org/nsa-tries-to-keep-its-water-use-a-secret-but-drought-stricken-utah-isnt-buying-it-da5c80b5d0f4/ https://archive.thinkprogress.org/nsa-tries-to-keep-its-wate...