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Killing civilians many of whom are effectively slaves from other countries probably isn't a great look
by ioseph 5y ago
Killing civilians many of whom are effectively slaves from other countries probably isn't a great look
- garmaine 5y agoThe rules of engagement are such that killing usually isn't required. They would announce who they are and tell the boats to turn around and exit territorial waters. Those who do not comply, or repeat or suspicious offenders, might get stopped, boarded, and their cargo confiscated, perhaps even their boats sold at auction. Any sailors aboard could request amnesty if they are truly in an effective-slave situation. The only way it turns to shoot-and-sink is if the boats flagrantly disregard orders through multiple points of escalation. Even then the attempt would be to disable the ship, not destroy it (by shooting out the engine or rudder, for example).
- heartbeats 5y agoWouldn't this just cause them to leave and come back another day? Sinking them without warning wouldn't have this problem.
- lostapathy 5y agoYou’d probably have to offer the sailors a ride before the sinking the ship to be humane. Odds are not good the average crew member has much control of the fact they are fishing somewhere illegally.
- heartbeats 5y agoThat sucks for them, but would that be feasible? I don't know how much crew each vessel have, but say there's 20 people on each vessel. If there's 100 vessels, that's 2000 people you have to deport. Considering they might be lack identity documents, it seems like there would be a lot of red tape involved in deporting them properly. Especially if China will not have them. Since you can't execute prisoners once you've taken them, it seems like a very big risk to capture them, buying the pig in the poke so to speak. Is this correct?
- lostapathy 5y agoI honestly don't know what it'd take to re-home them. But the first time you sunk a fishing vessel with 20 kids on it, you'd have a global PR disaster.
- heartbeats 5y agoIf the vessel sinks, who would know? Would it be possible for the owners to distinguish "vessel was sunk by unmarked boat" from "vessel stopped communicating and hasn't come back yet"?
- lazyasciiart 5y agoIt's just as illegal (and immoral) to execute people before arresting them as after.
- heartbeats 5y agoCouldn't it be outsourced to a private corporation?
- neurostimulant 5y agoIndonesia has sunk more than 550 vessels related to illegal fishing between October 2014 to 2020. And all crews has been arrested and deported, none were killed. If Indonesia can do it, why other countries can't?
- heartbeats 5y agoIndonesia doesn't seem like it can do it. They still have illegal fishing, meaning it's more profitable to keep doing it. It seems like they could achieve 100% enforcement if they stopped the red tape.
- gpm 5y ago> and tell the boats to turn around and exit territorial waters. This feels like a way to get into a game of "you can't be everywhere at once".