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The big difference between "Apple's app review process" and "seatbelts and airbags" is that car companies acknowledge the latter are fallible. It's not about a

The big difference between "Apple's app review process" and "seatbelts and airbags" is that car companies acknowledge the latter are fallible. It's not about adding layers of protection or not; it's about being transparent with your customers about how effective those layers actually are.

nwienert 5y ago
I don’t think any one of my less technical friends has any belief that the App Store is infallible or even mostly secure. Apple doesn’t advertise it much, and if they did I’d be happy to call that a mistake.
- saagarjha 5y ago
  Just read their copy for the App Store: https://www.apple.com/app-store/ https://www.apple.com/app-store/ > Because we offer nearly two million apps — and we want you to feel good about using every single one of them. > Apps must adhere to our guidelines. > You should never have to worry about inappropriate content. > Every day, moderators review worldwide App Store charts for quality and accuracy. All of these are far stronger claims than I would be comfortable making about the current state of the store.
  - nwienert 5y ago
    Disagree, they seem very reasonable. But also no one is reading those terms really, they aren’t being pushed in ads or shown at the store.
    - meowster 5y ago
      Do you have any ties to Apple? That is the most ridiculous implication. 'We did not expect anyone to read the terms of the product, so we shouldn't have to deliver on what we promised.' That is not resonable. Apple is using weezle-words like "should" which gives them wiggle room, but I guess it will be up to a court to decide.
      - nwienert 5y ago
        I have no ties, other than owning a few of their devices. I think you should up your prior that there exist people who generally think this is ok. I think about 0 out of the first 100 people I know that I think of have heard any version of those claims (maybe 5 now since a few read HN). It’s probably not even a top 10,000 trafficked page on their site. Do you have any ties against apple or for a competitor?

nwienert 5y ago

I don’t think any one of my less technical friends has any belief that the App Store is infallible or even mostly secure. Apple doesn’t advertise it much, and if they did I’d be happy to call that a mistake.

saagarjha 5y ago
Just read their copy for the App Store: https://www.apple.com/app-store/ https://www.apple.com/app-store/ > Because we offer nearly two million apps — and we want you to feel good about using every single one of them. > Apps must adhere to our guidelines. > You should never have to worry about inappropriate content. > Every day, moderators review worldwide App Store charts for quality and accuracy. All of these are far stronger claims than I would be comfortable making about the current state of the store.
- nwienert 5y ago
  Disagree, they seem very reasonable. But also no one is reading those terms really, they aren’t being pushed in ads or shown at the store.
  - meowster 5y ago
    Do you have any ties to Apple? That is the most ridiculous implication. 'We did not expect anyone to read the terms of the product, so we shouldn't have to deliver on what we promised.' That is not resonable. Apple is using weezle-words like "should" which gives them wiggle room, but I guess it will be up to a court to decide.
    - nwienert 5y ago
      I have no ties, other than owning a few of their devices. I think you should up your prior that there exist people who generally think this is ok. I think about 0 out of the first 100 people I know that I think of have heard any version of those claims (maybe 5 now since a few read HN). It’s probably not even a top 10,000 trafficked page on their site. Do you have any ties against apple or for a competitor?