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Yea no, can we stop putting ALL of the weight on the technical people that already are MASSIVELY skilled on their field and are chronically overworked? The soft
by justbored123 5y ago
Yea no, can we stop putting ALL of the weight on the technical people that already are MASSIVELY skilled on their field and are chronically overworked? The soft people skills responsibilities fall on the soft skills people i.e. management. That is THEIR job, not mine. They can't do shit else so they better do at least that.
This is the fundamental problem with our profession, we are goal oriented and try to make things work at all cost, and we get taken advantage all the time even when we are holding all the cards (high demand for us, low supply).
Stop making their work easy by making yours hard, you are not a fcking lap boy, you are an engineer, you solve the technical sht. Make the "management and meetings" people earn their over inflated checks or simply move to the next job for an even better pay, simple as that.
All my PM, TL, RRHH, QA, and the rest of the spreed sheet crowd have always been the same: Lest waste an hour every day in a pointless meeting to show them who is boss and pretend that we do something useful, then lets spend the rest of the day in Facebook and social media while I pest the nerds on chat every few hours asking "how is that going? do you have an estimate?". That is not working, that is been a parasite. Force them to earn their living.
- Der_Einzige 5y agoNot sure why you're downvoted on this. Far too many managers try to also push their management work on the engineers themselves. I've seen this many times and it makes my blood boil. No random PM drone, it's not my job as an IC to do your sprint planning work for you.
- ravenstine 5y agoSeems like a misunderstanding to me. Those tasks are on everyone's plate to varying extents, but I too have definitely witnessed the useless PM whose role seemed to be to force subordinates to effectively take on the executive portion of their role. Then everyone wonders why morale is so low.
- astrange 5y agoI’m confused by this thread because a PM is not a manager. Their job is more like a cheerleader, where they don’t have any power and you don’t have to listen to them (unless your actual manager delegates to them). For some of them this does turn into just asking why you’re not done yet.
- randomswede 5y agoYes. And no. Generic "you" follows (I am NOT trying to pick on OP). If you are a senior engineer in a team of engineers, do you need your manager around to facilitate every meeting that discusses "next engineering steps"? If so, are you really senior? If you, as a senior engineer, can't get a new starter up to speed on your code base (without creating a hostile environment), are you really senior? I mean, I am not saying these things should fill 90% of your work-day, but maybe 5%? And when you do them, you should at least be passable at it. A complete lack of soft skills is not really excusable in a senior engineer. But, it is also the case that a senior engineer job is about more than soft skills.
- g051051 5y agoPreach it!