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If Apple gave up the gatekeeping position, I would be afraid to use my phone for the things I do today.

fsflover 5y ago
You should already be afraid now.
rawtxapp 5y ago
The point is, you should be afraid today too (or better word, more careful). What you have right now is a false sense of security.
matheusmoreira 5y ago
Why aren't you afraid today? Their gatekeeping is clearly useless.
- CharlesW 5y ago
  > Why aren't you afraid today? Their gatekeeping is clearly useless. You're not perfect at anything you do. Does that make you useless? Of course not.
  - matheusmoreira 5y ago
    That's why I don't gatekeep anyone.
    - tekknik 5y ago
      So if we followed this logic, and reversed everything that wasn’t 100% perfect, so you realize how far back in human history we’d be propelling ourselves? There is not a single gov program, law, corp, anything on this planet that is perfect, except maybe the planet itself.
  - a1369209993 5y ago
    > You're not perfect at anything you do. Does that make you useless? As a gatekeeper? Yes, yes it does; hence why there shouldn't be any gatekeepers.
- PeterisP 5y ago
  Something does not have to be perfect to be useful; a filter that throws out 50% or 90% of malicious trash is very useful even if a lot of malicious trash gets through. The appropriate metric for safety of an app store is not whether you can get attacked, but rather how many users - proportional to all users - get attacked every year.
  - fsflover 5y ago
    This filter is useless and misleading. Compare to F-Droid or GNU/Linux repositories.
    - tekknik 5y ago
      So why would someone release malware in f-droid, when the user base is not your average joe and would likely know how to counter or detect any attacks? This is the second person in this thread to think using an open source repo as an example carries weight. There are less users, therefore less malware is released here in the first place and then there’s less load for the malware filters for that that does get through.
      - fsflover 5y ago
        Your argument does not hold for GNU/Linux repositories. There are plenty of good targets there.
        tekknik 5y ago
        Oh sure, that’s why I didn’t include it. But we have historically seen issues with those repos haven’t we? My comment stands, why target f-droid?
        fsflover 5y ago
        Because it's technically the same as GNU/Linux repositories (i.e. relies on community and FLOSS). Therefore, one can expect that when it grows, and average Joe starts using it, there will be no huge inflow of malware in it. > But we have historically seen issues with those repos haven’t we? Care to elaborate?

You should already be afraid now.

The point is, you should be afraid today too (or better word, more careful). What you have right now is a false sense of security.

matheusmoreira 5y ago

Why aren't you afraid today? Their gatekeeping is clearly useless.

CharlesW 5y ago
> Why aren't you afraid today? Their gatekeeping is clearly useless. You're not perfect at anything you do. Does that make you useless? Of course not.
- matheusmoreira 5y ago
  That's why I don't gatekeep anyone.
  - tekknik 5y ago
    So if we followed this logic, and reversed everything that wasn’t 100% perfect, so you realize how far back in human history we’d be propelling ourselves? There is not a single gov program, law, corp, anything on this planet that is perfect, except maybe the planet itself.
- a1369209993 5y ago
  > You're not perfect at anything you do. Does that make you useless? As a gatekeeper? Yes, yes it does; hence why there shouldn't be any gatekeepers.
PeterisP 5y ago
Something does not have to be perfect to be useful; a filter that throws out 50% or 90% of malicious trash is very useful even if a lot of malicious trash gets through. The appropriate metric for safety of an app store is not whether you can get attacked, but rather how many users - proportional to all users - get attacked every year.
- fsflover 5y ago
  This filter is useless and misleading. Compare to F-Droid or GNU/Linux repositories.
  - tekknik 5y ago
    So why would someone release malware in f-droid, when the user base is not your average joe and would likely know how to counter or detect any attacks? This is the second person in this thread to think using an open source repo as an example carries weight. There are less users, therefore less malware is released here in the first place and then there’s less load for the malware filters for that that does get through.
    - fsflover 5y ago
      Your argument does not hold for GNU/Linux repositories. There are plenty of good targets there.
      - tekknik 5y ago
        Oh sure, that’s why I didn’t include it. But we have historically seen issues with those repos haven’t we? My comment stands, why target f-droid?
        fsflover 5y ago
        Because it's technically the same as GNU/Linux repositories (i.e. relies on community and FLOSS). Therefore, one can expect that when it grows, and average Joe starts using it, there will be no huge inflow of malware in it. > But we have historically seen issues with those repos haven’t we? Care to elaborate?