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China seems to get away with whatever they want lately. When are "we" going to stop tolerating their wanton disregard for global ecological and human rights sta

China seems to get away with whatever they want lately. When are "we" going to stop tolerating their wanton disregard for global ecological and human rights standards?

bobthechef 5y ago
Honestly, probably nothing. There is no will to do anything about increasing Chinese belligerence and I suspect a fair amount of perks offered by China to keep it that way. Look at the silence about the Uyghurs. Nobody cares about them. Why would they care about some fish? (Granted, people often care more about fish than human beings.)
- tasogare 5y ago
  > Look at the silence about the Uyghurs. Uyghurs is an internal affair and they brought Beijing pressure on themselves by making terrorism acts. Fishing in other nations' waters, bullying Taiwan, leaking virus are international acts that are serious enough for retaliation from the international community, if they wanted to do something about it.
  - sumedh 5y ago
    > they brought Beijing pressure on themselves by making terrorism acts. like what?
    - yourapostasy 5y ago
      > like what? List of incidents covered within this general Wikipedia article [1]. A factor I haven't seen discussed much in non-Chinese press is that the Xinjiang region was one of the last (if not the very last) to resist the CCP in the Chinese Civil War [2] [3], with some relatively non-trivial, remotely-originated clandestine support by both the (by then) Taiwan-based KMT and CIA until well after (around 1953) the generally-recognized end of the civil war (around 1949). I'd like to hear the perspective of native-born Chinese "CCP-ologist" and "CIA-ologist" HN readers on how this historical background might color the CCP's current handling of the region. IMHO, both the CCP and CIA have long memories, but I could be off base. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_China [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of_Xinjiang_into_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of_Xinjiang_into... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuomintang_Islamic_insurgency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuomintang_Islamic_insurgency
dillondoyle 5y ago
Maybe if (when) they get aggressive with Taiwain, TSMC. Or if lab leak was proven, or lab leak + it was a product GOF deliberately created to infect humans it could provide enough public support to back it. I think there are enough hawks in government. Good or bad, a hot or 'warm' war is a huge and devastating step without huge public support across many nation coalitions. Don't want iraq 2.0 with weapons of mass infection that turn out to not be true.
- hef19898 5y ago
  China and Taiwan are the same situation we have with the Baltic States and Russia. And I have the impression both, China and Russia, are that emboldened right now that they might just call NATO and the US on these countries.
  - dillondoyle 5y ago
    Yeah Russia is definitely already testing NATO in Ukraine, though they aren't actually in NATO. Personally I think Trump emboldened this behavior with his child-like understanding of the politics and singular focus on 'they will pay for the wall' attitude towards NATO.

China seems to get away with whatever they want lately. When are "we" going to stop tolerating their wanton disregard for global ecological and human rights standards?

bobthechef 5y ago

Honestly, probably nothing. There is no will to do anything about increasing Chinese belligerence and I suspect a fair amount of perks offered by China to keep it that way. Look at the silence about the Uyghurs. Nobody cares about them. Why would they care about some fish? (Granted, people often care more about fish than human beings.)

tasogare 5y ago
> Look at the silence about the Uyghurs. Uyghurs is an internal affair and they brought Beijing pressure on themselves by making terrorism acts. Fishing in other nations' waters, bullying Taiwan, leaking virus are international acts that are serious enough for retaliation from the international community, if they wanted to do something about it.
- sumedh 5y ago
  > they brought Beijing pressure on themselves by making terrorism acts. like what?
  - yourapostasy 5y ago
    > like what? List of incidents covered within this general Wikipedia article [1]. A factor I haven't seen discussed much in non-Chinese press is that the Xinjiang region was one of the last (if not the very last) to resist the CCP in the Chinese Civil War [2] [3], with some relatively non-trivial, remotely-originated clandestine support by both the (by then) Taiwan-based KMT and CIA until well after (around 1953) the generally-recognized end of the civil war (around 1949). I'd like to hear the perspective of native-born Chinese "CCP-ologist" and "CIA-ologist" HN readers on how this historical background might color the CCP's current handling of the region. IMHO, both the CCP and CIA have long memories, but I could be off base. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_China [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of_Xinjiang_into_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of_Xinjiang_into... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuomintang_Islamic_insurgency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuomintang_Islamic_insurgency

dillondoyle 5y ago

Maybe if (when) they get aggressive with Taiwain, TSMC. Or if lab leak was proven, or lab leak + it was a product GOF deliberately created to infect humans it could provide enough public support to back it. I think there are enough hawks in government. Good or bad, a hot or 'warm' war is a huge and devastating step without huge public support across many nation coalitions. Don't want iraq 2.0 with weapons of mass infection that turn out to not be true.

hef19898 5y ago
China and Taiwan are the same situation we have with the Baltic States and Russia. And I have the impression both, China and Russia, are that emboldened right now that they might just call NATO and the US on these countries.
- dillondoyle 5y ago
  Yeah Russia is definitely already testing NATO in Ukraine, though they aren't actually in NATO. Personally I think Trump emboldened this behavior with his child-like understanding of the politics and singular focus on 'they will pay for the wall' attitude towards NATO.