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Commandeer the ships and auction them off for scrap at home. Arrest and charge the fishermen. If they flee, sink the ship. They’ll catch on.

silexia 5y ago
I agree, this is the only effective solution.
fxtentacle 5y ago
The crew will likely be desperate and / or slaves. So how about: Sell the ship, let the crew live in a nice hotel, book them a 1st class flight back home, then bill the country under who's flag the ship was operating. If they can't / refuse to pay, import sanctions. That way, you're not punishing the crew, yet making such behavior financially uninteresting. That's the only way because the person who decided to send that ship there is probably far away and busy counting profits. Also, it's a lot easier to capture the boat if that's a positive experience for the crew. They might flee from a trip to prison but few people run from a paid vacation offer.
- heartbeats 5y ago
  This costs a lot of money, though. If it costs too much money, it won't be done. So the solution has to be cheap to be put into place.
- TeMPOraL 5y ago
  > They might flee from a trip to prison but few people run from a paid vacation offer. They may still run if accepting the paid vacation offer would be followed by imprisonment at home. So offer them permanent residency instead. And then prepare for the logistics issue of managing a great fleet of boats racing straight to your ports.
  - mensetmanusman 5y ago
    Send them to Taiwan, because then the Chinese government can’t admit that they don’t have jurisdiction there internationally.
    - denkmoon 5y ago
      How to inflame a delicate situation for 300 please.
      - zentiggr 5y ago
        So suggest a solution that won't inflame anything? "Dealing" with China is going to get a lot hotter. Period.
    - sumedh 5y ago
      Why should Taiwan accept them?
      - dng88 5y ago
        A good way to get chinese spies? :-)
    - TeMPOraL 5y ago
      I appreciate the cleverness, but no: trying to solve too many problems at once ends up with no problem being solved at all. Want to get rid of the fishing fleet? Make a credible offer of residency and amnesty to all their crews - no strings attached, no continued use as pawns in politics. Simple trade: they bring in and surrender their vessel, you give each a green card, a key to a room, some starting cash, and a "thank you for your service", and forget about them.
      - bluGill 5y ago
        A good way to let a lot of spies and sabotagers into your country.
        5y ago
  - zentiggr 5y ago
    Hooray, we can refit some of them and rebuild our own decimated sealift capability, and sell the rest for scrap only. Or start using a bunch of them to sink for reef seeding.
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago
  After you sink the boat you can pick the crew up and give them free tickets to Disney Land or throw them in jail it doesn't matter when it comes to dissuading illegal fishing. The point is to make the expected ROI of trespassing in other nations' territorial waters negative. The crew is cheap and easy to replace relative to the boat. So you have to make the boat go away (sink it or impound it) to make the corporate owner back on land feel the heat. Imprison them and give them back to their home country ASAP is probably the right way to handle the crew.
  - at_a_remove 5y ago
    And then the pirate, slave or not, plays the "Claim Asylum" card from his deck and the costs are back in your court.
    - fxtentacle 5y ago
      That's why you recoup your money from the flag carrier country. It would also have the nice side effect of dissuading countries to lend their flag to shady companies all over the world.
      - at_a_remove 5y ago
        There's the large assumption that the flag carrier country will pay. Realistically, once this becomes a strategem, and a known one, anyone with a boat can enter your waters, hoist the jolly roger, then say "Yeah, take me into asylum." And poof, your immigration procedures evaporate.
        wavefunction 5y ago
        You should do some reading up on what is involved in applying for and receiving asylum in the US. Your post indicates an inaccurate understanding of what is involved and required for an asylum seeker to receive legal asylum.
        5y ago
- petre 5y ago
  The nice hotel is called prison and the Chinese Embassy should handle their release. If they work as slaves, they should testify doing so and maybe ask for political asylum. I know it's complicated with Chinese citizens being blackmailed by the PRC with their families at home, but it only takes a few to do so

silexia 5y ago

I agree, this is the only effective solution.

fxtentacle 5y ago

The crew will likely be desperate and / or slaves. So how about: Sell the ship, let the crew live in a nice hotel, book them a 1st class flight back home, then bill the country under who's flag the ship was operating. If they can't / refuse to pay, import sanctions. That way, you're not punishing the crew, yet making such behavior financially uninteresting. That's the only way because the person who decided to send that ship there is probably far away and busy counting profits. Also, it's a lot easier to capture the boat if that's a positive experience for the crew. They might flee from a trip to prison but few people run from a paid vacation offer.

heartbeats 5y ago
This costs a lot of money, though. If it costs too much money, it won't be done. So the solution has to be cheap to be put into place.
TeMPOraL 5y ago
> They might flee from a trip to prison but few people run from a paid vacation offer. They may still run if accepting the paid vacation offer would be followed by imprisonment at home. So offer them permanent residency instead. And then prepare for the logistics issue of managing a great fleet of boats racing straight to your ports.
- mensetmanusman 5y ago
  Send them to Taiwan, because then the Chinese government can’t admit that they don’t have jurisdiction there internationally.
  - denkmoon 5y ago
    How to inflame a delicate situation for 300 please.
    - zentiggr 5y ago
      So suggest a solution that won't inflame anything? "Dealing" with China is going to get a lot hotter. Period.
  - sumedh 5y ago
    Why should Taiwan accept them?
    - dng88 5y ago
      A good way to get chinese spies? :-)
  - TeMPOraL 5y ago
    I appreciate the cleverness, but no: trying to solve too many problems at once ends up with no problem being solved at all. Want to get rid of the fishing fleet? Make a credible offer of residency and amnesty to all their crews - no strings attached, no continued use as pawns in politics. Simple trade: they bring in and surrender their vessel, you give each a green card, a key to a room, some starting cash, and a "thank you for your service", and forget about them.
    - bluGill 5y ago
      A good way to let a lot of spies and sabotagers into your country.
      - 5y ago
- zentiggr 5y ago
  Hooray, we can refit some of them and rebuild our own decimated sealift capability, and sell the rest for scrap only. Or start using a bunch of them to sink for reef seeding.
throwaway0a5e 5y ago
After you sink the boat you can pick the crew up and give them free tickets to Disney Land or throw them in jail it doesn't matter when it comes to dissuading illegal fishing. The point is to make the expected ROI of trespassing in other nations' territorial waters negative. The crew is cheap and easy to replace relative to the boat. So you have to make the boat go away (sink it or impound it) to make the corporate owner back on land feel the heat. Imprison them and give them back to their home country ASAP is probably the right way to handle the crew.
- at_a_remove 5y ago
  And then the pirate, slave or not, plays the "Claim Asylum" card from his deck and the costs are back in your court.
  - fxtentacle 5y ago
    That's why you recoup your money from the flag carrier country. It would also have the nice side effect of dissuading countries to lend their flag to shady companies all over the world.
    - at_a_remove 5y ago
      There's the large assumption that the flag carrier country will pay. Realistically, once this becomes a strategem, and a known one, anyone with a boat can enter your waters, hoist the jolly roger, then say "Yeah, take me into asylum." And poof, your immigration procedures evaporate.
      - wavefunction 5y ago
        You should do some reading up on what is involved in applying for and receiving asylum in the US. Your post indicates an inaccurate understanding of what is involved and required for an asylum seeker to receive legal asylum.
        5y ago
petre 5y ago
The nice hotel is called prison and the Chinese Embassy should handle their release. If they work as slaves, they should testify doing so and maybe ask for political asylum. I know it's complicated with Chinese citizens being blackmailed by the PRC with their families at home, but it only takes a few to do so