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Every person didn't author themselves. They're all driven by innate greed and desire and suffering. The fishermen, the Chinese oligarchs, the Chinese communist

Every person didn't author themselves. They're all driven by innate greed and desire and suffering. The fishermen, the Chinese oligarchs, the Chinese communist party - they're all the center of their own consciousness, each person trying from moment to moment. I pity people, I don't hate them. I may dislike the capitalist system that leads to environmental destruction, but no individual authored our global society. So, I do see your viewpoint, but looking at individuals is one small slice of the problem, not the whole by any means. We can't count on individual goodness, not when greed or desire is allowed to motivate our leaders so heavily.

JackFr 5y ago
It’s weird that the Chinese Communist Party manifests the destruction you attribute to the capitalist system. Not wrong — just weird.
- developer93 5y ago
  They're more state controlled capitalism than communism these days as I understand it. The name is just a name.
- bromuro 5y ago
  it’s weird because it is wrong: the capitalism vs communism narrative you are referring to doesn’t exist in this globalized world, is just an oversimplification for the masses - of you prefer just propaganda.
throwaway2037 5y ago
I'm confused about this part: "the capitalist system that leads to environmental destruction". Are you aware of the Aral Sea environmental disaster? To quote Wiki: <<Formerly the fourth largest lake in the world with an area of 68,000 km2 (26,300 sq mi), the Aral Sea began shrinking in the 1960s after the rivers that fed it were diverted by Soviet irrigation projects.>> As I understand, most of the diverted water was used to grow cotton. That harm was done during the Soviet Union. Most would agree, the Soviet system was less capitalistic than the current Mainland Chinese system. All types of governments can cause environmental ruin, and all types of governments can clean it up. Also, not all environmental ruin is permanent. The United States, UK, and Japan had extensive, wide-spread industrial pollution in the 1960s and 1970s. They spent the next 30 years cleaning up, and did a pretty good job.

JackFr 5y ago

It’s weird that the Chinese Communist Party manifests the destruction you attribute to the capitalist system. Not wrong — just weird.

developer93 5y ago
They're more state controlled capitalism than communism these days as I understand it. The name is just a name.
bromuro 5y ago
it’s weird because it is wrong: the capitalism vs communism narrative you are referring to doesn’t exist in this globalized world, is just an oversimplification for the masses - of you prefer just propaganda.

throwaway2037 5y ago

I'm confused about this part: "the capitalist system that leads to environmental destruction". Are you aware of the Aral Sea environmental disaster? To quote Wiki: <<Formerly the fourth largest lake in the world with an area of 68,000 km2 (26,300 sq mi), the Aral Sea began shrinking in the 1960s after the rivers that fed it were diverted by Soviet irrigation projects.>> As I understand, most of the diverted water was used to grow cotton. That harm was done during the Soviet Union. Most would agree, the Soviet system was less capitalistic than the current Mainland Chinese system. All types of governments can cause environmental ruin, and all types of governments can clean it up. Also, not all environmental ruin is permanent. The United States, UK, and Japan had extensive, wide-spread industrial pollution in the 1960s and 1970s. They spent the next 30 years cleaning up, and did a pretty good job.