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I personally am not interested in the Cybertruck until it gets more mainstream. The thing is a target for every disgruntled driver who sees it in a parking lot.

by daenz 5y ago

I personally am not interested in the Cybertruck until it gets more mainstream. The thing is a target for every disgruntled driver who sees it in a parking lot. Telsa's already seem to be targeted frequently[0]. I don't need that kind of grief in my life. 0. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzpNC2zMAys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzpNC2zMAys (dramatic, but there are plenty more of these kinds of videos)

grahamburger 5y ago
On paper I'm the type of person who ought to be interested in a cybertruck but I'm finding myself a lot more interested in the Ford F-150 Lightning.
- Sanguinaire 5y ago
  Same here. Being in the UK means getting an F150 is pretty unlikely as I'd be worried about it fitting on some of our roads, but it is far more appealing than the cybertruck even for me as a soft, liberal tech worker.
ethbr0 5y ago
I planned on jumping straight to a diesel Prius. That way both sides hate me. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0QXTKWBtke8 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0QXTKWBtke8
- Syonyk 5y ago
  Nah, that's just boring. Go with a diesel Insight. There have been a few diesel swaps on the 1st gen Insights that manage the same or better fuel economy than the gas hybrid version. https://www.thedrive.com/news/38291/this-2000-honda-insight-with-a-vw-turbo-diesel-swap-may-be-the-ultimate-fuel-saver https://www.thedrive.com/news/38291/this-2000-honda-insight-... The Honda hybrid tech of that time is a lot easier to swap engines on. A Prius has the motors in the transmission, so it's harder to simply bolt a new engine on. You'd have to either drive the transaxle with your own control algorithms, or figure out another way to make it behave with a different engine. The Honda electric motor was on the engine crankshaft, and you could get the Insight with a manual transmission, so it's really just "bolt in the motor and go."
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    But of course you'd get a diesel Prius or Insight only to be "rolling coal" with it. EDIT: Sorry, only watched the YouTube clip now -- OMG, seems that was the purpose! Sheesh, you think you're making an obviously absurd jokey take on something... America, you never (cease to) disappoint.
- wearywanderer 5y ago
  Anecdotally, macho gearhead types seem to generally respect the premise diesel-electrics, because freight trains. Because it's been so successful in locomotives, these sort see diesel-electric as proven, powerful, and sufficiently macho.
s5300 5y ago
No, this is a good thing. All Tesla's have cameras running on them nearly all the time. Any "disgruntled" driver who does any amount of various illegal things to them can easily be found and punished in the legal system. Quickest way to end the bullshit.
- kaliszad 5y ago
  In Germany, this would probably end badly for the owner of the car doing the filming in a public space and the vandal would probably walk free with his/ her legal fees getting paid by the owner of the car, if the vandal would caught at all. It is illegal to monitor a public space and violates personality rights. A reasonable judge might perhaps give the owner of the car a hefty fine for violating personal rights and order the vandal to pay for the damage. IANAL. Either way, I don't see it as a winning strategy to film anything in a public space in Germany, it will get you in trouble and will most likely not solve anything. I think vandalism is the kind of thing that cannot be excused in adults. Certainly damaging anybody's car on purpose is something only a complete idiot would do.
  - belter 5y ago
    It is illegal ? So when are they shutting down all those cameras in Berlin, apparently its the second most surveilled city in Europe after London: https://www.statista.com/chart/19268/most-surveilled-cities-in-europe/ https://www.statista.com/chart/19268/most-surveilled-cities-...
    - anoncake 5y ago
      After they've shut down the police for impersonating the police.
      - belter 5y ago
        So these are all police cameras ?
        5y ago
pokot0 5y ago
Honestly this happens to all cars and it's hardly evidence people target Tesla's more than any other brand. Beware of getting your information from youtube.
- daenz 5y ago
  The Cybertruck stands out. Things that stand out get targeted. I don't want my car to be targeted. It's that simple for me.
sunstone 5y ago
When Tesla first introduced the cyber truck they were unsure about the demand and also unsure about the 4680 cell manufacturing. Both of these are now settled. It's not impossible that Tesla will drop the prices substantially when they finally go on sale.
- jsight 5y ago
  Considering that they said 12-18 months more for volume 4680 production, I don't think that is settled yet.
  - sunstone 5y ago
    Tesla wouldn't be using the 4680 in the model Y if the 4680's status was in doubt.
    - jsight 5y ago
      That's a pretty optimistic take given their past history with big shifts like this. Maybe they will start by using cells from their partners, though.

by daenz 5y ago

grahamburger 5y ago

On paper I'm the type of person who ought to be interested in a cybertruck but I'm finding myself a lot more interested in the Ford F-150 Lightning.

Sanguinaire 5y ago
Same here. Being in the UK means getting an F150 is pretty unlikely as I'd be worried about it fitting on some of our roads, but it is far more appealing than the cybertruck even for me as a soft, liberal tech worker.

ethbr0 5y ago

I planned on jumping straight to a diesel Prius. That way both sides hate me. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0QXTKWBtke8 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0QXTKWBtke8

Syonyk 5y ago
Nah, that's just boring. Go with a diesel Insight. There have been a few diesel swaps on the 1st gen Insights that manage the same or better fuel economy than the gas hybrid version. https://www.thedrive.com/news/38291/this-2000-honda-insight-with-a-vw-turbo-diesel-swap-may-be-the-ultimate-fuel-saver https://www.thedrive.com/news/38291/this-2000-honda-insight-... The Honda hybrid tech of that time is a lot easier to swap engines on. A Prius has the motors in the transmission, so it's harder to simply bolt a new engine on. You'd have to either drive the transaxle with your own control algorithms, or figure out another way to make it behave with a different engine. The Honda electric motor was on the engine crankshaft, and you could get the Insight with a manual transmission, so it's really just "bolt in the motor and go."
- CRConrad 5y ago
  But of course you'd get a diesel Prius or Insight only to be "rolling coal" with it. EDIT: Sorry, only watched the YouTube clip now -- OMG, seems that was the purpose! Sheesh, you think you're making an obviously absurd jokey take on something... America, you never (cease to) disappoint.
wearywanderer 5y ago
Anecdotally, macho gearhead types seem to generally respect the premise diesel-electrics, because freight trains. Because it's been so successful in locomotives, these sort see diesel-electric as proven, powerful, and sufficiently macho.

s5300 5y ago

No, this is a good thing. All Tesla's have cameras running on them nearly all the time. Any "disgruntled" driver who does any amount of various illegal things to them can easily be found and punished in the legal system. Quickest way to end the bullshit.

kaliszad 5y ago
In Germany, this would probably end badly for the owner of the car doing the filming in a public space and the vandal would probably walk free with his/ her legal fees getting paid by the owner of the car, if the vandal would caught at all. It is illegal to monitor a public space and violates personality rights. A reasonable judge might perhaps give the owner of the car a hefty fine for violating personal rights and order the vandal to pay for the damage. IANAL. Either way, I don't see it as a winning strategy to film anything in a public space in Germany, it will get you in trouble and will most likely not solve anything. I think vandalism is the kind of thing that cannot be excused in adults. Certainly damaging anybody's car on purpose is something only a complete idiot would do.
- belter 5y ago
  It is illegal ? So when are they shutting down all those cameras in Berlin, apparently its the second most surveilled city in Europe after London: https://www.statista.com/chart/19268/most-surveilled-cities-in-europe/ https://www.statista.com/chart/19268/most-surveilled-cities-...
  - anoncake 5y ago
    After they've shut down the police for impersonating the police.
    - belter 5y ago
      So these are all police cameras ?
      - 5y ago

pokot0 5y ago

Honestly this happens to all cars and it's hardly evidence people target Tesla's more than any other brand. Beware of getting your information from youtube.

daenz 5y ago
The Cybertruck stands out. Things that stand out get targeted. I don't want my car to be targeted. It's that simple for me.

sunstone 5y ago

When Tesla first introduced the cyber truck they were unsure about the demand and also unsure about the 4680 cell manufacturing. Both of these are now settled. It's not impossible that Tesla will drop the prices substantially when they finally go on sale.

jsight 5y ago
Considering that they said 12-18 months more for volume 4680 production, I don't think that is settled yet.
- sunstone 5y ago
  Tesla wouldn't be using the 4680 in the model Y if the 4680's status was in doubt.
  - jsight 5y ago
    That's a pretty optimistic take given their past history with big shifts like this. Maybe they will start by using cells from their partners, though.