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Then go use android? apple isn't the only phone & store combo out there and allowing 2rd party app stores takes away a lot of the value prop - there is a reason

Then go use android? apple isn't the only phone & store combo out there and allowing 2rd party app stores takes away a lot of the value prop - there is a reason i like having the non tech literate and susceptible to scams in my life use iphones. its not perfect but it's sure better than the play store.

smoldesu 5y ago
That's a strawman. I'm not criticizing Android here, we're talking about Apple's responsibility to the consumer. As someone who owns several Apple devices, I can truly and honestly say that my life would be unequivocally better if I could install custom IPAs to my phone. Furthermore, Apple trusts the user to decide if Facebook can steal their data: why can't they trust the user to install third party apps? If they don't effectively communicate the danger beforehand, that's their failure. Otherwise, Apple is just locking off functionality to me, which is insulting considering I pay a premium for their devices that I expect to be recouped on the software side of things. That's their business model, if you don't like it then you should argue with them, not me.
- judge2020 5y ago
  They don't trust their users to not install pirated apps. It's part of their revenue scheme - if you could install third party IPAs, you could download cracked versions of Apple Arcade apps or apps that bypass the in-app purchase system and don't give apple their 30% cut of digital content. It's the same reason Xbox and Sony restrict you to their stores, Apple's revenue model is just set up to extract more money overall instead of 99% on the backend like consoles do.
  - simondotau 5y ago
    Just to be clear about your argument, you’re saying that’s a bad thing? Is it wrong for a company to protect revenue—and remember 70% of revenue goes to the developer—from loss due to piracy? There are plenty of valid reasons to object to Apple’s revenue model, but the avoidance of piracy seems like a bridge too far.
    - judge2020 5y ago
      I'm saying that's how it is, I agree with you on that Apple should be allowed to do this to protect their revenue model, even if it comes at the expense of users not being able to run unsigned code/other app stores on iOS.
echelon 5y ago
I'm glad the choice you're giving me suddenly opens up all Apple consumers to my business. I'm glad I don't have to pay a 30% tax on revenue. Or jump though insane hurdles to deploy my software. It sure feels free. Thankfully, it's only 50% of Americans, or half the market, that's locked up behind this protection racket.

smoldesu 5y ago

That's a strawman. I'm not criticizing Android here, we're talking about Apple's responsibility to the consumer. As someone who owns several Apple devices, I can truly and honestly say that my life would be unequivocally better if I could install custom IPAs to my phone. Furthermore, Apple trusts the user to decide if Facebook can steal their data: why can't they trust the user to install third party apps? If they don't effectively communicate the danger beforehand, that's their failure. Otherwise, Apple is just locking off functionality to me, which is insulting considering I pay a premium for their devices that I expect to be recouped on the software side of things. That's their business model, if you don't like it then you should argue with them, not me.

judge2020 5y ago
They don't trust their users to not install pirated apps. It's part of their revenue scheme - if you could install third party IPAs, you could download cracked versions of Apple Arcade apps or apps that bypass the in-app purchase system and don't give apple their 30% cut of digital content. It's the same reason Xbox and Sony restrict you to their stores, Apple's revenue model is just set up to extract more money overall instead of 99% on the backend like consoles do.
- simondotau 5y ago
  Just to be clear about your argument, you’re saying that’s a bad thing? Is it wrong for a company to protect revenue—and remember 70% of revenue goes to the developer—from loss due to piracy? There are plenty of valid reasons to object to Apple’s revenue model, but the avoidance of piracy seems like a bridge too far.
  - judge2020 5y ago
    I'm saying that's how it is, I agree with you on that Apple should be allowed to do this to protect their revenue model, even if it comes at the expense of users not being able to run unsigned code/other app stores on iOS.

echelon 5y ago

I'm glad the choice you're giving me suddenly opens up all Apple consumers to my business. I'm glad I don't have to pay a 30% tax on revenue. Or jump though insane hurdles to deploy my software. It sure feels free. Thankfully, it's only 50% of Americans, or half the market, that's locked up behind this protection racket.