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I have to imagine maintenance and storage of a 787 is way worse than the purchase price

akiselev 5y ago
According to [1], it costs United about $15,000 an hour to run their 787. Of that, $7,371 finances the plane ("ac cost"), $786 for maintenance ("mx"), $5,259 for fuel, and $1,335 for crew. I'm assuming industry average utilization of roughly ~4000 hours a year of flight time so that works out to about $3 million in maintenance and $28 million in loan repayments per year. Thing is, you have to keep the 787 flying - they're not designed to be parked for weeks or months at a time. Normally that'd be a problem for a business jet since they're little more than toys for rich people but the 787 is up to 20% more fuel efficient than comparable older models. As long as its set up for cargo, the owner can just rent it out and have someone else cover the majority of the maintenance burden. It wouldn't be profitable, but if you need (or want) a brand new commercial jet, it's an easy way to subsidize that cost. [1] https://www.planestats.com/bhsw_2014sep https://www.planestats.com/bhsw_2014sep
- jimbob45 5y ago
  The question then is whether he owns it and farms it out to the airlines or if the airline owns it and rents it to him.
- dillondoyle 5y ago
  Would reply to child but too nested. Maybe it's this one for charter? https://www.privatefly.com/private-jets/large-airliner-hire/Boeing-787-8-Dreamliner.html https://www.privatefly.com/private-jets/large-airliner-hire/... Looks pretty cool if I was wealthier and wanted a destination wedding this would be the way!
  - wizzwizz4 5y ago
    There is no “too nested”. If it doesn't show a “reply” button, click on the timestamp instead.
    - dillondoyle 5y ago
      thanks i didn't know that! or maybe im just too blind!
- hellbannedguy 5y ago
  I like John Travolta. I've wondered lately if he is working so much because of his hobbies, or just loves any acting gig? (I need a life?)

According to [1], it costs United about $15,000 an hour to run their 787. Of that, $7,371 finances the plane ("ac cost"), $786 for maintenance ("mx"), $5,259 for fuel, and $1,335 for crew. I'm assuming industry average utilization of roughly ~4000 hours a year of flight time so that works out to about $3 million in maintenance and $28 million in loan repayments per year. Thing is, you have to keep the 787 flying - they're not designed to be parked for weeks or months at a time. Normally that'd be a problem for a business jet since they're little more than toys for rich people but the 787 is up to 20% more fuel efficient than comparable older models. As long as its set up for cargo, the owner can just rent it out and have someone else cover the majority of the maintenance burden. It wouldn't be profitable, but if you need (or want) a brand new commercial jet, it's an easy way to subsidize that cost. [1] https://www.planestats.com/bhsw_2014sep https://www.planestats.com/bhsw_2014sep

jimbob45 5y ago
The question then is whether he owns it and farms it out to the airlines or if the airline owns it and rents it to him.
dillondoyle 5y ago
Would reply to child but too nested. Maybe it's this one for charter? https://www.privatefly.com/private-jets/large-airliner-hire/Boeing-787-8-Dreamliner.html https://www.privatefly.com/private-jets/large-airliner-hire/... Looks pretty cool if I was wealthier and wanted a destination wedding this would be the way!
- wizzwizz4 5y ago
  There is no “too nested”. If it doesn't show a “reply” button, click on the timestamp instead.
  - dillondoyle 5y ago
    thanks i didn't know that! or maybe im just too blind!
hellbannedguy 5y ago
I like John Travolta. I've wondered lately if he is working so much because of his hobbies, or just loves any acting gig? (I need a life?)