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I wonder, isn't it 1) obvious for the CCP what this amount of overfishing will do? And, 2) > These distant-water fleets mainly fish for shortfin squid, which

I wonder, isn't it 1) obvious for the CCP what this amount of overfishing will do? And, 2) > These distant-water fleets mainly fish for shortfin squid, which are vital to Argentina’s economy 1 and 2 combined make me wonder if destroying the ocean ecosystem, and damaging Argentina's economy could be a goal in itself, somehow. Maybe to (now I'm guessing), in the future, get to lend out money to the government in Argentina, if they're in a bad economic situation -- and make the country depend on the CCP or something like that? I'm just guessing and wondering. However it'd be weird to me if the CCP hadn't thought about what'll happen, because of the overfishing, and they said that, yes this is good for us; it's something we want (the party, probably not the people).

fencepost 5y ago
isn't it 1) obvious for the CCP what this amount of overfishing will do? It's not in their territory, they likely don't give a rat's ass. Ecosystem damage in the western hemisphere might actually be a good aspect for some of those who might crack down on this. I suspect we're all well aware that vessels and crews of any nation pulling this in China's territorial waters would not be treated kindly.
Quarrelsome 5y ago
It might be an error to attribute this to centralised planning. While that is eminently possible (and much easier for the CCP than other governments) this also could just be someone min/maxing their little slice of the pie or anything in between. Agents of the imperial European powers used to act in the "interests of the empire" abroad without significant oversight ~200 years ago so this situation could be similar with the Chinese fleet being paid with incentives that encourage bending of the rules.
istorical 5y ago
I read a lot of Chinese fantasy fiction (xianxia and wuxia) online and its extremely common for the heroes of the stories to use potions or herbs or magical ingredients to increase their powers and abilities. Something unique about them though is it seems super widespread in these stories for the main character, neutral factions, and enemies / evil factions alike to exhaust discovered resources to extinction, with the main ethical / moral crisis being whether to distribute them according to power or according to fairness. Fights over how big one's share of the pie is are common, and 'evil' characters are often those that express greed by demanding an unfair share. But the question of whether it's a good idea or a moral choice to harvest an entire field of 1000 year old ginseng or stealing all of some rare previously thought to be extinct Phoenix's eggs vs tending to the field and harvesting only a small crop or only taking the resources of older birds rarely comes up. There are plenty of other cultural differences in these stories but overall I'm always left wondering whether some of these reflect broader cultural attitudes or if this is like if someone tried to get a deep understanding of western culture by reading Spiderman comics and that's it.
- lupire 5y ago
  Is Game of Thrones an accurate model of USA culture?
  - justinclift 5y ago
    Maybe Scottish history (give or take a few dragons)? ;)
  - supp 5y ago
    Yes, actually it is in a lot of ways.
  - vmladenov 5y ago
    The White Walkers were a direct criticism of the US public and government’s inaction on global warming.
    - ericmay 5y ago
      No it’s not. And it would be an unfair and silly comparison anyway.
      - vmladenov 5y ago
        > No it’s not. From the man himself: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/t-magazine/george-rr-martin-qanda-game-of-thrones.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/t-magazine/george-rr-mart... > And it would be an unfair and silly comparison anyway. Your personal opinions on the allegory don’t affect the author’s intent.
  - mlindner 5y ago
    Game of Thrones is set in Europe and is heavily inspired by real european history (Hadrian's wall, the war of the roses, etc).
    - ptaipale 5y ago
      Game of Thrones is set on fictional continents (though yes, inspired by some actual European history). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_A_Song_of_Ice_and_Fire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_A_Song_of_Ice_and_Fir...
FranchuFranchu 5y ago
I don't think Argentina needs help to destroy its own economy. We're already taking loans from China and buying Chinese vaccines.

fencepost 5y ago

isn't it 1) obvious for the CCP what this amount of overfishing will do? It's not in their territory, they likely don't give a rat's ass. Ecosystem damage in the western hemisphere might actually be a good aspect for some of those who might crack down on this. I suspect we're all well aware that vessels and crews of any nation pulling this in China's territorial waters would not be treated kindly.

Quarrelsome 5y ago

It might be an error to attribute this to centralised planning. While that is eminently possible (and much easier for the CCP than other governments) this also could just be someone min/maxing their little slice of the pie or anything in between. Agents of the imperial European powers used to act in the "interests of the empire" abroad without significant oversight ~200 years ago so this situation could be similar with the Chinese fleet being paid with incentives that encourage bending of the rules.

istorical 5y ago

I read a lot of Chinese fantasy fiction (xianxia and wuxia) online and its extremely common for the heroes of the stories to use potions or herbs or magical ingredients to increase their powers and abilities. Something unique about them though is it seems super widespread in these stories for the main character, neutral factions, and enemies / evil factions alike to exhaust discovered resources to extinction, with the main ethical / moral crisis being whether to distribute them according to power or according to fairness. Fights over how big one's share of the pie is are common, and 'evil' characters are often those that express greed by demanding an unfair share. But the question of whether it's a good idea or a moral choice to harvest an entire field of 1000 year old ginseng or stealing all of some rare previously thought to be extinct Phoenix's eggs vs tending to the field and harvesting only a small crop or only taking the resources of older birds rarely comes up. There are plenty of other cultural differences in these stories but overall I'm always left wondering whether some of these reflect broader cultural attitudes or if this is like if someone tried to get a deep understanding of western culture by reading Spiderman comics and that's it.

lupire 5y ago
Is Game of Thrones an accurate model of USA culture?
- justinclift 5y ago
  Maybe Scottish history (give or take a few dragons)? ;)
- supp 5y ago
  Yes, actually it is in a lot of ways.
- vmladenov 5y ago
  The White Walkers were a direct criticism of the US public and government’s inaction on global warming.
  - ericmay 5y ago
    No it’s not. And it would be an unfair and silly comparison anyway.
    - vmladenov 5y ago
      > No it’s not. From the man himself: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/t-magazine/george-rr-martin-qanda-game-of-thrones.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/t-magazine/george-rr-mart... > And it would be an unfair and silly comparison anyway. Your personal opinions on the allegory don’t affect the author’s intent.
- mlindner 5y ago
  Game of Thrones is set in Europe and is heavily inspired by real european history (Hadrian's wall, the war of the roses, etc).
  - ptaipale 5y ago
    Game of Thrones is set on fictional continents (though yes, inspired by some actual European history). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_A_Song_of_Ice_and_Fire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_A_Song_of_Ice_and_Fir...

FranchuFranchu 5y ago

I don't think Argentina needs help to destroy its own economy. We're already taking loans from China and buying Chinese vaccines.