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Judge Rules Star Wars The Last Jedi, Rise of Skywalker Are Mediocre and Schlocky

20 points by ricc 5y ago

jancsika 5y ago
The stronger implication missed in the headline is from the key word I emphasize here: "no more mediocre and schlocky Star Wars." The judge was clearly judging at least some subset the films Lucas himself released to be mediocre and schlocky. In fact, the judge could still claim he was reserving judgment on the quality of the Disney films. After all, he was only calling the promise of a future improvement in quality illusory. But even that claim depends on some of Lucas' own output being mediocre and schlocky in the first place. In either case the ruling is against Lucas here. :)
- alpaca128 5y ago
  The word right after the end of your quote is "sequels". George Lucas did not make any SW sequels, so it's impossible that he made mediocre ones.
- aidenn0 5y ago
  The footnote specifically calls out two of the Disney movies by name as evidence that Lucas could not prevent more mediocre and schlocky movies from being produced. Which of the Lucas movies fit that description is not mentioned[1] 1: It is, however, self evident that Episode II headlines whatever such list the Court had in mind
- vnchr 5y ago
  I strongly agree with the judge’s other implication that The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker were mediocre and schlocky. My indictment is directed towards Kathleen Kennedy’s involvement as the president of Lucasfilm.
paul7986 5y ago
The Force Awakens was a repeat of the first two or three initial films. I liked it though The Last Jedi made me stop watching The series outside of The Mandalorian.
- alpaca128 5y ago
  Same. Last Jedi felt like a stab in the back, and when I heard the end of the trilogy is even considered bad by people who liked TLJ I knew Disney Star Wars is a lost cause unless drastic changes are made. This whole debacle is a huge example for how not to continue an IP.
  - paul7986 5y ago
    Well they have a lot to live up to ... i really liked Rogue One and of course The Mandalorian. Overall and personally am happy they are making new Star Wars content yet they probably should continue making films and shows that are outside of the beloved characters and use those characters sparely in other films and shows.
    - alpaca128 5y ago
      Many productions in the SW universe had to live up to the movies and many have. Decades ago a single trilogy was good enough to kick off a whole Star Wars novel market and get one of its mentioned planets, Coruscant, officially adopted by George Lucas. Books like the Thrawn oder Bane trilogies would have been great material for films and much better than anything Disney put out so far. Knights of the Old Republic set the bar for how to retell A New Hope and makes The Force Awakens look like a sloppy parody. That kind of material would still not even out the hype, but seriously, Disney should really put some people who actually know and care about Star Wars in important positions, people who correctly see it as a red flag when a movie director isn't only tasked with making a sequel before the predecessor is completed, but also discards the previous director's story concept.
crowf 5y ago
> This is where things get interesting. At this point in the ruling, Judge Lee decided to make a comparison, and that's where Star Wars comes in. Was fluff added by GPT-2 to make the word count longer? All of the information included in this article could have been written with a lot less words.
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ksherlock 5y ago
The full ruling is more interesting than that particular truth. https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2021/06/01/19-56297.pdf https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2021/06/01/1... tl;dr - class action over misleading "100% natural" Wesson cooking oil results in $6.85 million in lawyer fees and expenses, $418,919 to qualifying class members (15¢ per bottle of oil), plus $575,000 to NY/Oregon state funds.
SonOfLilit 5y ago
I was surprised by how interesting the case and the opinion were. And extra surprised by the conclusion in page 31.

20 points by ricc 5y ago

The stronger implication missed in the headline is from the key word I emphasize here: "no more mediocre and schlocky Star Wars." The judge was clearly judging at least some subset the films Lucas himself released to be mediocre and schlocky. In fact, the judge could still claim he was reserving judgment on the quality of the Disney films. After all, he was only calling the promise of a future improvement in quality illusory. But even that claim depends on some of Lucas' own output being mediocre and schlocky in the first place. In either case the ruling is against Lucas here. :)

alpaca128 5y ago
The word right after the end of your quote is "sequels". George Lucas did not make any SW sequels, so it's impossible that he made mediocre ones.
aidenn0 5y ago
The footnote specifically calls out two of the Disney movies by name as evidence that Lucas could not prevent more mediocre and schlocky movies from being produced. Which of the Lucas movies fit that description is not mentioned[1] 1: It is, however, self evident that Episode II headlines whatever such list the Court had in mind
vnchr 5y ago
I strongly agree with the judge’s other implication that The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker were mediocre and schlocky. My indictment is directed towards Kathleen Kennedy’s involvement as the president of Lucasfilm.

paul7986 5y ago

The Force Awakens was a repeat of the first two or three initial films. I liked it though The Last Jedi made me stop watching The series outside of The Mandalorian.

alpaca128 5y ago
Same. Last Jedi felt like a stab in the back, and when I heard the end of the trilogy is even considered bad by people who liked TLJ I knew Disney Star Wars is a lost cause unless drastic changes are made. This whole debacle is a huge example for how not to continue an IP.
- paul7986 5y ago
  Well they have a lot to live up to ... i really liked Rogue One and of course The Mandalorian. Overall and personally am happy they are making new Star Wars content yet they probably should continue making films and shows that are outside of the beloved characters and use those characters sparely in other films and shows.
  - alpaca128 5y ago
    Many productions in the SW universe had to live up to the movies and many have. Decades ago a single trilogy was good enough to kick off a whole Star Wars novel market and get one of its mentioned planets, Coruscant, officially adopted by George Lucas. Books like the Thrawn oder Bane trilogies would have been great material for films and much better than anything Disney put out so far. Knights of the Old Republic set the bar for how to retell A New Hope and makes The Force Awakens look like a sloppy parody. That kind of material would still not even out the hype, but seriously, Disney should really put some people who actually know and care about Star Wars in important positions, people who correctly see it as a red flag when a movie director isn't only tasked with making a sequel before the predecessor is completed, but also discards the previous director's story concept.

crowf 5y ago

> This is where things get interesting. At this point in the ruling, Judge Lee decided to make a comparison, and that's where Star Wars comes in. Was fluff added by GPT-2 to make the word count longer? All of the information included in this article could have been written with a lot less words.

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ksherlock 5y ago

The full ruling is more interesting than that particular truth. https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2021/06/01/19-56297.pdf https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2021/06/01/1... tl;dr - class action over misleading "100% natural" Wesson cooking oil results in $6.85 million in lawyer fees and expenses, $418,919 to qualifying class members (15¢ per bottle of oil), plus $575,000 to NY/Oregon state funds.

SonOfLilit 5y ago

I was surprised by how interesting the case and the opinion were. And extra surprised by the conclusion in page 31.