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Downtown Brooklyn, Jersey City and Long Island city have all skyrocketed in the past decade, granted they are all centered around Manhattan and can be viewed as
by wefarrell 5y ago
Downtown Brooklyn, Jersey City and Long Island city have all skyrocketed in the past decade, granted they are all centered around Manhattan and can be viewed as skyscraper sprawl.
Flushing, which is more on the outskirts, has grown rapidly very recently and has some massive development planned.
The city is definitely moving in the direction of decentralization, but that could just be because the center is saturated. Will be interesting to see what it looks like in the next decade.
- Ericson2314 5y agoI think a key step will be the Triboro RX. In the short term it would be a regular circumferential subway line, but that will allow Brooklyn and Queens to function without Manhattan more. I think the the combination of geography and state boundary politics makes NYC hard to actually become multi centered, but it wold be interesting to be proven wrong. Certainly we should strive to see Long Island, North Jersey, and West Connecticut have better rail and be less car-dominant.
- bobthepanda 5y agoI have very severe doubts about TriboroRX happening in my lifetime because of a combination of exorbitant costs at the MTA ($12B and counting for East Side Access) and the State's/MTA's tendency to slow-walk and sandbag projects they're not particularly interested in ($8B estimates for the Rockaway Beach Branch, radio silence on Utica Avenue or NYS high speed rail)
- Ericson2314 5y agoohhhhhh yes. I wrote "will" but I should have wrote "would"; I don't believe its inevitable by any means. > $8B estimates for the Rockaway Beach Branch That one still makes my blood boil. There's plenty of reasons why it might be low benefit, but it certainly shouldn't be anywhere near as high cost.
- bobthepanda 5y agoNo, Manhattan is still outpacing them all in terms of total and percentage job growth; their share of job growth is growing, but Manhattan is still a whopping 52%. https://www.osc.state.ny.us/files/reports/osdc/pdf/report-1-2020.pdf https://www.osc.state.ny.us/files/reports/osdc/pdf/report-1-... Hudson Yards and Midtown East are not showing signs of slowing down. Flushing is mostly meds and retail, which is fine for a shopping district but is not indicative of a greater jobs market trend. Manhattan's tyranny is largely due to its geography; it is the only place with fast, reliable mass transit access to all of the metropolitan area, and companies don't want to limit their labor pool. It is a pain in the ass to travel within Queens on mass transit (say, Rochdale to Flushing), let alone travel from some place like Westchester or New Jersey to Flushing. Flushing is no Shibuya or Shinjuku.
- wefarrell 5y agoYour source supports everything that I mentioned in my comment: "As a result of strong job growth in the outer boroughs, Manhattan’s share of private sector employment has declined, from 64 percent in 1990 to 59 percent in 2018. Brooklyn’s share increased the most, rising from nearly 13 percent to 17 percent. The shares in the other boroughs edged up slightly, with Queens"accounting for more than 15 percent, the Bronx for less than 7 percent, and Staten Island for less than 3 percent." Would be interesting to look
- vmception 5y agoThe city is saturated and almost everyone outside of Manhattan wants more relevance and hates that the observation of Manhattan is accurate.